Ep.11 Julian AKA Who | LevelsFM Music Production Podcast - YouTube
[Music] [Music] what is your name and or your alias oh my name is Julian but i go by who yeah cool yeah how did you get in how did you get that name i actually when i was in high school i used to have a lot of um beats by dr dre headphones i was just a big fan of them
and i used to dj a lot so that's when it came for him and then some guys like seniors would always tell me like oh it's doctor who like beats by doctor who and then the name just kind of stuck with me and i was like okay i'm just gonna keep it honestly it's just it could it's a good name it's a cool name um it's simple it's easy to remember and i was like yeah let's just keep it it's funny how that happens hey like sometimes those jokes just become these things that actually kind of make sense years later so yeah it's it's honestly weird because i never i would i think at that point i just always think like what's gonna be a good name for me as an artist and then suddenly that just came up with it like they came up with it and i was like yeah let's just keep it that way and then people started calling me like julian [Music] and stuff like that and i was like yeah i'm just gonna keep it right that's so cool um where are you currently right now where do you live
right now i'm living in colombia bogota colombia so cool just seems like it'd be such a cool place it's not that good i was going out on the street and wondering if you're gonna get robbed or to see adrenaline um or if you're gonna get kidnapped you never know it's still a fun place to live it's a really nice living place right that's crazy yeah um okay are you ready for the lightning round yeah let's do it let's see [Music] what is the best song of all time i'm have to go with van halen hot for teacher dude what a great song yeah it's probably one with it's my favorite song yeah that's a great song great rhythm right yeah great answer
uh who has the best voice of all time i have to go with either i'll tell either lady gag or madonna for me awesome why i just think the vocal range they have is just beyond like normal people and they can go from like they can sing like a ballad in a way or they can sing a pop record and both things they can do them perfectly right like they don't even like there's never like a bad note like you cannot even tell if their voice has been edited like live it's also great i don't know for me they're both best probably the best that's great so you are really into vocalists that can really control their pitch and are are like uh they're like it their voice is like an instrument right versatile yeah honestly and it makes producing so much easier right
right because they're going to give you a problem that you can work with right so exactly um [Music] what is your favorite musical group or band of all time uh i would have to go with metallica wow i love it ever since i was a kid i used to buy all their cds and i just got obsessed with them cool so yeah metallica would be the one for me what's your favorite metallic album um infor to kill honestly or injustice for or injustice for all maybe okay i've never even heard of you mean kill them all kill them all yeah sorry yeah you're right kill them okay yeah the one with the mic and like red kind of like red um collar on it like album cover that one oh yeah my my two favorite are that one and uh ride the lightning the one after that i'll write the lining yeah that was for those of you those are my two that kind
of go back and forth but they they have they have quite a few good ones yeah i was a big metallica fan when i was a teenager uh fun fact um who would be your dream collaboration um either eminem dr dre or um there was one more but i forgot yeah i think it's between those two honestly so the top contenders for me one eminem or dr dre i just think like everything they've done in the past is really impressive first of all eminem i just think honestly he's probably the best lyricist that like in the last 20 years at least i think he's the best lyricist and i just would love to see how i can combine either my style with his or how he can come up with new ideas to create something like brand new and fresh
the same thing goes with dr dre it's just they've been doing it for so long that i feel like they're so over doing the same stuff over and over again that they don't want to do it anymore they they kind of just press themselves to always do something completely new and fresh so that's why i think it would be my like my dream collaboration cool what would you do would you make beats would you co-write the songs with them would you play instruments what would you do yeah exactly that's where i don't even know i think it would be mainly producing for them i don't think writing would be on the table especially with those kind of guys that know exactly how to write i don't think writing can be an option but i think producing something for either of them would be a dream for me yeah 100 okay we're we're we're putting that out into the universe so universe do it do whatever you need to do with that um laptop or recording studio laptop i knew you were going to call it percent
i cannot i honestly cannot stand being in a recording studio really yeah i can't i can't like i've tried numerous times here and it just doesn't work really yeah i think it's just like i don't like being in a place where there's no light it's just closed off and you feel like you actually need to do work i really like when i can work with someone is actually beforehand get to meet them get to know how they are like basically become their friend i think it makes a session go much easier and i think that in a studio like a recording studio there's not like there's not that kind of like vibe to go off and become friends with someone because everyone's there to like work but if i have my laptop and i'm sitting in my apartment on a window in front of a window and then someone comes in they just might feel a little bit more at home you could say maybe a little bit more comfortable
so i think that gives up like a different vibe and you can work like there's so much things that you can talk about that you can get inspired from you can get ideas from and it's so much easier that's cool less pressure more or less exactly i love it um i know there's there is one thing you like about recording studios and that's sitting on consoles right i know you're a big fan of leaning back on an ssl console like it's a chair i've seen you do that a million times maybe yeah i still do it every now and then maybe maybe that's my way of getting familiar with the studio making it more that should be like your promo picture is usually chilled out on an ssl maybe that can be my next album cover who knows what is your favorite audio effect like delay reverb eq compression um saturation either between fat filter saturn or valhalla or valhalla vintage
verb oh cool either of those two i want to see apple haul to everything a few people have said valhalla already um why do you like that reverb more than other ones um i just think it has like there's two different presets that you can go it can be like a bright reverb or it can be like a damn kind of reverb and i just really like it because it gives out a lot of space like other reverbs usually are really sort of like dry per se you can say like that the hollow one is really it gives a tone it has a tone to it right and that's what i like about it because it gives a tone it gives like space it makes it wide it gives it more like everything it just works really good especially for the stereo image it works really good cool i love it uh which song sounds great
like in general which song sounds great however you want to answer that oh um honestly right now there's a song called edamame by this guy called bibino mula cool i haven't heard it but i love edamame and everything and everything on it just sounds perfect to me it sounds good it sounds perfectly mixed perfectly mastered um perfectly engineered everything sounds just perfect is it clean is it loud yeah it's not that that even that it's loud it's just the fact that it's really on the spot like it's not clipping anywhere it's compressed you can feel the compression but it's not over compressed you can feel like everything has like its own little space like nothing's fighting for space with anything and there's elements that are
like it's really base heavy and it's just amazing honestly and they're combining house music with rap so for me that was like a an eye opener never heard that before cool i've i've heard that a couple times it's a cool combination i love genres that work when you think they wouldn't work yeah exactly yeah that's great uh that's the end of the lightning round what do you what did you think of the lightning round do you like it wow that was a good wedding round yeah i honestly didn't even know my dream collaboration was eminem until i just said it yeah i know it's it's i think the lightning round it's not necessarily all true answers like if you had a day to think about it probably most of the answers would be different but it's kind of about like seeing what you say on the spot like that it's not even that sometimes i think when you watch interviews from other people or podcasts as well you usually like they ask them like some of these questions and they're like
and they say something you're like yeah mine would be this guy and then when they're doing it to you you actually kind of forget they're like yeah said this guy like two months ago and now i i don't even remember that i was saying this i love it i love all those things um okay so if i met you in an elevator and i didn't know you and i just saw you in an elevator and we had 30 seconds and i s and i asked you what do you do what would you say probably say i produce and ride for sort of celebrities i guess that's so cool we're gonna we're gonna dive deep into that a bit later which is a really cool thing about you um okay so we'll get into that in a minute you currently live in bogota colombia where were you born i was born in barranquilla colombia okay is that close to bogota no like
that's on the coast okay that's like by the by the beach by the water by the ocean everything bogota is like in the middle like basically in colombia every place is warm except bogota really like yeah every place is just a jungle basically so it's always like 28 degrees 30 degrees 40 degrees and then you have bogota which can get to like five degrees at like 3 a.m no way like it's the most different city but it's the capital so like all the opportunities are here right so yeah i moved i moved here when i was four no yeah four wow yeah i moved here when i was four um do you have any memories of the other place yeah i still freak out yeah 100 i remember a lot of things like i once got attacked by a bat i saw a snake there's a couple things that i remember when i was little um
but yeah so i still go there every every six months almost cool yeah how far how far away is it like a few hours one hour flight okay cool it's not even that long yeah it's it's really cheap to go there and i have my family there so i usually always go there mostly because i go we go there as a like a friendly vacation like every time me and my friends we just go there when we have a vacation all of us because it's warm and it's by the beach so i'm usually always there that's so cool yeah um tell us about an early musical memory from when you were a kid like something that sort of you remember um when i was six my dad used to have an ipod and he would only come to bogota because he lived in baton roque and he would come to bogota every like six months as well
so i would see him barely but he had this ipod and he was full of music and at this point i never knew music like i didn't know a single song from anyone i didn't know bans anything and when i was six i used to before i went to school like six a.m i'll take his ipod put some headphones and then i would start listening to all the music he had so he had like guns and roses he had um queen he had reggaeton um he had a lot of stuff so that's where i got like indulgent music like when i was basically like invited to listen to music if you like introduced what would be the word and my dad used to be a piano player a really good one so i would always see him play and everything that's for sort of like and he started doing music events here in colombia he was an event planner so i was always sort of like in that
mentality like okay maybe in the future i want to make something related to this it would be really nice yeah that's cool do you do you remember like sitting with that ipod do you remember the feeling you got when you were hearing those classic songs and different genres like was your mind just completely blown like what were you thinking yeah my mind was completely blown when i remember when i heard queen and he had this album from queen i don't remember the name and i just remember listening to all the songs and i memorized them and literally like i didn't even know english that good at that point but i would still like get some words out of it and same thing with guns and roses like i remember when i heard um paradise city from gun cirrosis i was like wow
like who does this right and it started blowing my mind how they would do that yeah and i started seeing music as this like complex scenario but it wasn't that complex at the end of the day like it's complex but like you start understanding and you're like okay you start seeing how everything works but for me it used to be like something that only a handful of people could do it's like magic right yeah exactly i was like yeah there's only like 10 people for me there was only 10 people at that age that could do music especially when you hear queen or or paradise city bike guns and roses that has lots of changes like yeah chord changes and key changes and tempo changes and you're like whoa this is super complex right then when you when you kind of break it down into sections you're like okay i can i can see how they came up with this but yeah great i i love that album we we just blasted through copies of that of appetite for destruction that was
just the soundtrack in my life i would imagine it even came out i think it got released in like 86 and didn't really do much and then they kind of re-released it or they promoted it or maybe maybe a sweet child of mine became the single or something and then it had like this second life that happened a lot back in those days where an album would come out and people be like meh and then they'd release some single and it would be like the biggest album the biggest one yeah like uh did you ever get into def leppard hysteria no because they that was the same type of thing they released a couple singles and then they released pour some sugar on me and it just sold like a million copies in 24 hours or something and it's honestly like it's that kind of like thing with the albums it kind of died in the last 10 years like nobody was releasing albums i think ever since this covet thing happened everyone is releasing albums and it's doing the exact same thing everyone's
releasing albums and maybe some of the albums don't get attention and then out of nothing one of the songs one of the singles in the album becomes huge right and therefore that album goes big and that artist goes big like it's something that i can see that it's kind of coming back to the scene right now people are doing a lot of things people have a lot of time to write lots of music right yeah yeah hey do you have uh do you have a light you could turn on a little bit okay cool it's a little bit dark there you go sweet um so would you consider that stuff on the ipod if we go back to the ipod would you consider that like your first musical influence to or what was your first musical influences like no that's 100 of my first musical influence that's the first time that i even heard music anytime honestly right right and do you play any instruments i only play piano i'm not even that good
like i know how to i know how to make chords or any chord that i want but let's say you put me to play a piece or you know tell me like which chord is this but just hearing it i'm probably not going to be able to do that i would say that's true for most producers most producers are like i'm not scared of a piano but i don't know what i'm doing yeah exactly like i'm not 100 sure like what i'm playing if it sounds good to me that's enough and so i kind of like that because there's definitely something to be said for being amazing at music theory or or piano or whatever obviously that's gonna be that's gonna super help you out but there's also something amazing to not know it and still go in there and start hammering around because you're gonna come up with different things than than somebody who knows the piano right for us for us
there's no rules exactly like i don't see like how this chord doesn't work with this chord maybe i'm playing my a major chord where it was supposed to be a minor chord in that scale but it's like i don't care honestly if it sounds good i'm gonna keep it and that's about it and then it comes down to like your instinct like can you tell when it doesn't sound good and then exactly yes right yeah that's so cool i love that um okay so what is your favorite sounding instrument like do you find yourself putting a certain uh virtual instrument or real instrument in a lot of the tracks that you create yeah usually i take pianos it would be the main thing i usually always all my songs have piano chords and if it's not that it's usually a spanish guitar cool but it's always a spanish guitar like almost all the songs that i made have a spanish guitar either on the back or a sleeve right and it has a little bit of guitar rig so
it doesn't sound like a spanish guitar but it's it's that shout out native instruments guitar rig yeah they it sound that effect sounds great on everything except guitars yeah honestly it's weird but it helps with everything you can put it on a lot of things and maybe you put on a guitar and it doesn't work it's just so obvious on a guitar but yeah if you put it on a vocal or something yeah exactly so cool um that's funny because uh gisela said the same thing she said she loves uh flamenco guitar spanish guitar whatever yeah they're really good honestly they just give a really like summer and tropical vibe to everything yeah and even if the song sounds sad that kind of like like freshens it up a little bit makes it a little bit happier i don't know it has it has that little thing to it so that's why i love doing it that's so cool so do you remember
the moment when you knew that you wanted to get into either writing music or music production maybe those are two different moments which one came first was it two different moments yeah it was two different moments at the beginning i just wanted to be a dj honestly i never thought of making music like at first when i was 10 i wanted to be in a band i wanted to make rock and stuff like that instruments are not my thing i just learned that the hard way i was like yeah i'm not good for this so i was like okay let's just become a dj it was like that one instrument in a way that i could honestly make it work that i felt like i actually could do it and i learned pretty fast so then when shows started happening here like they started bringing like the electronic community started growing in colombia um you would have to be a producer in order to play in some of these places because they would ask you like okay
let's hear what you can do and i would have nothing so basically that's when i was like okay i need to start producing right and when i was like 13 i remember i downloaded um apple studio for the loops i just started going with it and obviously for the first probably four years it's just awful like everything was just wrong as wrong as it can get um i saw some of the things that i did in the hard drive and it's just like you listen to them now you're like wow it's not even a key like there's a lot of things just didn't work out and you're like but i think that opened the way for me to just like i just started like wanting to produce more and more in order to get gigs that i became really obsessed with it that to the point that i basically stopped going to school like i would skip school then i got expelled then i went to another high
school and i got expelled again um because i would skip skip school for making music for staying at home and making music and basically that happened and at the end when they expelled me out of my second school i was like you know what i'm not even going to finish high school wow i was like i was done i was like let me just like really put my mind to this and put like 100 of me and that's basically and here we are now in a way because then years later on when i was already making good stuff i started realizing that i could also write like after being with so many songwriters you start realizing like some of the input you give is good therefore there must be something that you can also do in writing so i was like yeah i'm gonna start writing myself and i started writing in spanish and in english lyrics too yeah
and singing or getting somebody else to sing i always get somebody else to sing so you're writing all the music all the lyrics and then getting somebody to sing it and then you're sort of creating everything electronically in fl yeah exactly right do you tend to use more synthesis or sampling or a combination sampling sampling 100 wow that's always blows my mind when uh people tell me that because i i just assume when people are making electronic music that they're using a lot of synthesized stuff and some like you and tails are like no mostly samples yeah i usually use samples even when i start a song it's always a sample that starts it so cool yeah it's a great approach right because you've got this thing that can control audio on all these different parameter levels and you can turn it into anything
you want yeah yeah you can honestly take a sample and do whatever you want with it then something really interesting can come out of it even if you just reverse the sample right you can get a really nice sound always okay so when you left high school the second time you must have your stuff must have been getting kind of better at that point and because you must have had a bit of confidence going okay i kind of don't need to be in high school like i think this music thing might work out right ah not really not really i honestly just took a shot there it was like a leap of faith i guess my my slime wasn't even that good at that time it was pretty bad did your friends like it no like i didn't even i think i had one song at that point one song and it was just awful wow it was awful commitment
i love it i was still like i've always been alive sort of guy that is like i don't have a plan b right i'm usually just going all the way in one thing if it works then it will work if it doesn't then i'll just keep trying until it works right that's basically my mentality so that's what i did like if i look at back at it now i'm like hold like so stupid why would anyone just leave school high school at 16 15 16 and be like yeah i'm gonna make music i'm not even good at it but yeah let me give it a shot um so yeah i just started like doing that and then basically what happened is um dimitri vegas like mike had a concert here in 2016 and i attended that concert and i sneaked in backstage because i i don't know i have a way of doing it but i just did it and i was
looking like a kid like first falls under age i was supposed to be there and i had a fake id and everything and i just somehow managed to sneak in backstage and i never talked to them honestly but there were these two guys that were there and they were drunk and i started like hanging out with them and i told them like hey like i want to be producer like everything we started talking and we sort of like exchanged information and they literally took me and then later on i realized they were demian mike's writers and co-producers and they basically took me under their ring both of them and started teaching me like way more and more and more and they were like okay do this do that and they were really honest with me they were like okay this sounds terrible i think like out of the 50 ideas i sent them let's say a week or every two weeks i think 49 of them were
terrible always they were always telling me like they're all terrible [Music] doubting yourself you're like okay maybe i shouldn't have gone the music way should it just become like an architect or something 100 but it's too late now yeah but then i was like you know what i'm just gonna keep doing it and then it started getting better and better and better and yeah it ended up being good at the end i guess like it was worth it so when they when they sent when they gave you feedback on the one song out of 50 that was good how did that make you feel did that give you like hope were you like okay no i was always just thinking like okay this is not going good but it's the thing like as when you're starting to make music i feel like you compare yourself to other people and you see the stuff they release and you're like okay this guy's doing so
good but what you don't see in the back is that this guy has probably a thousand ideas that he probably trashed he was like okay this don't work at all and and there was one that was good so now i see that but before i used to be like okay i'm just never gonna make it i'm never gonna be able to make a proper house like a track like this so i would see tracks from other people and be like okay i wanna make a song like this and i was never able to and then years later after trying so much you realize like okay i did a song like them maybe even better who knows but it was always that like little line that you had to cross and i think that's creatively for anyone that makes music or anything artistic but there's this little line that you have to cross where you stop it's a little bit more professional and i think crossing that line is like
the difficult part always that's great i love that okay so were they giving you tips and then you were using those tips and applying them yeah exactly so they started teaching me a little bit more about music theory like how things have a key like how songs have a key because i had no idea i was just like random stuff to it like whatever worked and they were like yeah you need to have like this has like this d major so you need to have stuff that is probably the same key stuff like that they were like okay the bass line needs to be mono um this needs to be a little bit more stereo and i'm like okay so i have to go looking for plugins that help me with imaging or maybe don't use this reverb try this one out stuff like that and i just started learning so much
like so much and they would put me in like this drill sort of like exercises they're like drills so they'll be like okay by tomorrow you need to finish this like do this or add something to this and it gonna it got in my head so much that now when i start a song it's not like i can wait months to finish it i just have to finish it as soon as i started wow because of the drills yeah like i it got so much in my head that now if i make a song it's immediately it's not like i'll finish it later no i have to be every little bit of time i have right there and finish it so the next day i'd be like okay i can move on to something else so i got really used to that so that's why i don't have like oh the song isn't finished or uh like some of them are unfinished in the sense of like i've i generally finished them but there's a
couple things that can be fixed but apart from that they're always finished within three days these guys sound like legends they really taught you really well and it sounds like they were pretty patient too right yeah yeah they were kind of patient with me honestly they they really had a lot of patience with me like now that i think about it they did i mean if you're setting them 50 tracks and 49 of them are garbage i don't know i don't know how long i'd stick around yeah to see how long it takes you to get better honestly and i honestly don't even know why they kept talking to me or like even answering i don't know if it was do you think you see or they they see something or i think they see something i think they see something in you right like they're like okay like you know for you to even get backstage underage and start you know basically start off your music career not even knowing what you're even
talking about they were probably like who is this kid like le this kid's gonna be huge right yeah i don't know but yeah it was really weird how they just kept talking to me and everything and they they really they're both really good at making music honestly like their masters at their work they're really masters like they've worked with avicii um martin garrix like a lot of them um diplo major laser yeah a lot of people honestly so i really so it was really good that they taught me all of that oh we lost your video but it's probably still there yeah i think it's still it shows for me that it's still there okay cool this might be the connections just die in it a little bit but it should be back um can you tell us their names again just for the listeners so they can google them yeah it's london future and london summers
okay cool both of them like right now one of them goes by curtis wells but yeah they're both really amazing like one of them stopped making music sadly but the other one is still releasing music like he stopped producing and writing for other people and now he's just dedicated to his own project okay um do you remember the first time you walked into like a legit recording studio or into a legit professional situation was it with them or was it somewhere else no it was when i went to school in canada okay and how did that make how did that make you feel being in a recording studio it felt great honestly i honestly the first thing i thought was how many pictures i'm gonna take here and i ended up taking none i was like because you know in colombia you don't get to see those sort of
studios that often people saw you in one of those studios they would be like okay this guy's probably doing something right and i never and i never got to the point of taking a picture when i was in school like never um did you feel did you feel like it you weren't worthy of it or you just didn't get around to it no i just honestly never thought of it like when i saw the recording studio i was like great i used to i still do it i used to make um music and really bad headphones like beyond bad headphones and then it was this point where i got there and i was like wow there's all these speakers that i've like sort of wanted for years like the kk rockets or yamahas or genelecs and i was like and i can use them to make my music now and i can listen to my music properly because i honestly still i still make music in airpods like i mix and master on airpods which
is the weirdest thing ever but i don't think that i get it like i've always used lowest common denominators speakers and not bad but flat headphones like not very exciting headphones and i find like that's where my comfort is is like i don't want to mix on great sounding stuff because everything sounds great on great stuff yeah honestly and i think the good thing about mixing on airpods is that you you genuinely get to hear what other people are gonna hear right like you get into their mindset sort of so you know that if it sounds good here it's probably gonna like no one's gonna complain about it right that's so true yeah yeah i don't have to worry about acoustics or room treatment or anything yeah right you just have to worry about the one lie that the air pods are telling you because there is a lie there but you've probably got it figured out now right yeah exactly yeah that's cool uh my my favorite thing
to mix on these days is the iphone speaker the mono iphone speaker same thing it's like if it sounds good here like it's only gonna go up from here right like this is a mono like a quarter inch speaker like i've never tried to mix like here on iphone honestly like i take it as reference but not as my main reference right i i guess that's what i mean is it's one of my main it's one of my main references but you you really obviously base is pretty much not there at all and kick drum is mostly not there at all but what you have to do is you have to go up the octaves on those instruments and add stuff at 300 hertz or 600 hertz to make up for the fact that it's not there because you do want people to hear your kick when they're listening to your stuff on an iphone right yeah totally because they're gonna listen to it with an iphone speaker so it might as well
sound decent there right yeah totally yeah i've never thought of it that way i might need to use the iphone mono for future reference that's about as bad as it can get like it's not gonna you're not gonna get a smaller speaker than that um okay so are these guys that you met are they the ones that you ended up co-writing with or is that a different era can you tell us so basically what happened was after my music started getting sort of good my production level they would be telling me like hey dimitri mike you're making the song like we're making the song do you wanna you know like help a little bit see what you can add to it honestly would never make significant changes that you can be like okay like i deserve credit in the song at first or i can say like oh yeah i did that no
they were really small but then down the road they started like getting more involved with me and then both demi and mike were like okay let's get this kid to do this and i started because they're always touring they're always doing their stuff so it's always like how can you get them to like they need their time basically they don't have the time to be in a studio or to be making music 24 7. like 24 hours a day or all the time and they need to still be making really good music and releasing but at the same time they still need to play shows so that balance was really off keeping for them right so basically i just started like getting more involved in the process and then i started getting more songs that i could write for them and produce and then the biggest one i did was instagram um i actually did it when i was in school in canada i did it on the first month that i got
there and i had this idea and then the singer um her name is deb's daughter we still always work together so then she basically got into the song and she started singing these lyrics and i was like wow this is a really great song i sent it to them um they got it to david guetta they got it to disguise called afrobros and then basically the song got finished and then months later um the song didn't get released at first it got played we got everything it was set up and then months later it got leaked nobody knows how but the song the master got leaked and we were like okay like let's not release it anymore like they didn't want to release it they were like no like it's way too poppy and maybe it's not gonna do good
and then down the line basically what happened was um i don't know who it was but they got daddy yankee and maddie natasha were two latin artists and they got them to make the song so basically they would just re-sing everything like it was already written so they just had to sing on top of it and they did it and the song ended up getting released i think like a year and a half later than it was originally supposed to and they ended up getting massive attention still one of the top songs they've ever had it has like i think it has over 220 million streams on spotify triple platinum everywhere yeah cool and so was so what did you do with that specifically did you write did you co-write a chord progression the chord progression like the whole beginning that you listen to and then the melody that it has from the sort of chorus
i did it but it ended up getting a little bit changed and the sound got changed like a lot of things got changed to fit more on the summary vibe because um the way the mini tree and mic work like their music schedule works is throughout the year they make edm like big room like you know like just classic electronic music and then when it comes for summer there's usually two or three songs that are meant for the summer okay that are like pop songs basically so i really fitted in that because i was a really big fan of making pop music i was never really on the side of making edm i was never a fan like i'm a fan to listen to but when making it i just don't like it like it's just not my it's not my thing so i was really good at making puff stuff when it came to chords to the sounds like i have a lot i had a lot of that
already sort of mastered i guess like on the chill part on the summary side so that was basically the addition that i brought in cool when that started to blow up and you couldn't talk about this right when when this was happening you couldn't you couldn't speak about your involvement in this right because i i remember hearing i remember hearing that you had a track blow it up and that's all that you could say about it yeah at the end yes right but now i can no you can i love it so how did that make you feel like let's forget about the fact that you can't say anything how did the fact that something you're a part of is blowing up and people are loving it how did that make you feel honestly it was great like a lot of people would ask me like why don't you want your name on it like why don't you want more recognition
for it let's say and i honestly have never been a fan of any of that like i never liked being like the front face of anything i never liked being on the stream enough attention on anything so it was for me it was more like okay i can make this i'm getting paid i'm doing it because i like it as well songs doing great people like it that's about it for me that's great it was like mainly like i don't i don't want to tour like i don't care to tour i don't care to do a bunch of shows like i genuinely couldn't care less you can go to the grocery store nobody recognizes you you could be looking at your phone yeah your bank account going up right yeah exactly so it's always like i don't i i never wished for that life there's a lot of people that obviously wish that yep um and that's really cool but it just wasn't for me honestly i never saw
myself in that kind of position um i'm really good socially like i don't have like social anxiety or anything like i'm i'm really good with talking to people but it's just like it just wasn't my thing i just couldn't get just couldn't get used to it because i would be like with dimitri in mind when i was in vancouver for example when you see them and you're like like everyone asking for pictures and this and that and then this tight schedule that they have to follow and maybe one of them wants to go partying after the show but they have a flight at the next day at like 7 a.m so they can't they're in a new city that they haven't seen before all of that yeah so i was just like yeah that's not for me yeah you're right i think some people really like that life and some people yeah or just not into it yeah exactly like benny blanc is one of the people that you can see that it's like that right like he doesn't perform or anything he
just produces and writes right so yeah i think that's yeah that's cool um okay so this next question is a two-parter and it comes from tamara edelman and it is this what has been your biggest career high and your biggest career challenge so far um i think my biggest career high was 2019. okay i was doing so good um for example instagram is something that i just talked about have been released i was doing my own solo project and i had just released nothing to compare and it was getting like a million streams and like all my songs were getting it was the first time that i was releasing music by myself and all the songs were getting a lot of attention
and it was great it was honestly really good and i would say the the hardest part in my career so far has been that as well which is maintaining that momentum that you started having i think it's something that um dr dre used to say a lot and it's like making a hit is easy but maintaining that status of people keeping releasing records that are going to do the same as before as the last one that's the real challenge right so i think that's where that would be the hardest part it's just maintaining that momentum that part is really hard so yeah i think i think that would be the main thing yeah 100 great answer um tell us more about nothing to compare
that's the track you did with as armistice right yeah with with gisele and gisela yeah yeah i was already releasing music and i just had like the same thing that i was telling you about i released the song by accident on 2019 i didn't mean to release it and it was my first song being released and then out of the nothing it had like 200 000 plays and i never realized like i never noticed so as soon as i noticed that i was like okay i just got to keep pumping more music out so it doesn't stop and i basically started doing that and nothing to compare was we had this project in school that was like basically you go from computer to computer between your classmates and you add something to the song and i started nothing to compare on my computer basically the idea came up in 15 minutes because we have 15 minutes
each and everyone's computer and i did it and then at the end i was like okay like the idea sounded really good like the one that i had i was like i want to keep it and i told them like hey let's finish this so we basically erased everything from everyone like even their stuff and we just took like the little four bar loop that i had and we're like let's finish it and then the next day we finished it we immediately sent it out the next day yeah we finished it the next day we found vocals for it like fun vocals and splice and it's funny because the vocals are i never thought those vocals would work because the song seemed like g sharp minor something like that and the vocals that we found on splines were in c minor i remember so we had to transpose those vocal seven semitones so if you transpose a male vocal seven
semitones it's probably not gonna sound really good and it and honestly it didn't sound really good but we liked it so we just kept it and then we released the song we were really excited i remember we were really excited and then we started getting adding started getting added to a lot of playlists um but like nothing big like i think on the first week first two weeks we had like 1200 streams and then out of the blue one one night i remember i i was with giselle and then i checked my phone and you can see on spotify for artists how many people are listening at the moment usually my average used to be at that point used to be like five people and you can calculate how many streams you're gonna get every day just about how many people are listening like you can actually tell right and then i saw like 45 people listening now and i was like whoa
like why and then turns out spotify just started adding it to a bunch of their playlists and then from that everyone just it just started going huge honestly like hardwell added it to his playlist like influencers added it to their playlists djs um started getting a lot of deals for that song it was really good all natural though hey like you guys already been trying to yeah we didn't spend a lot of time i think we sent like between us the three of us we sent like 20 emails for promo it's a spotify playlist like the people that have playlists and that was about it but that was it like we didn't it didn't do much apart from that i guess once you get in a couple of major ones and influencers and big playlists get it then other people are putting it into smaller playlists and it's kind of big yeah and some people honestly a lot of people replicate playlists right so they create their own playlist and they almost replicate the same ones
from spotify but they add like their own little touches to it like they change some things so that helped us a lot as well so yeah i think it's in over i think it's been over i don't know like 100 000 playlists wow that's amazing yeah yeah so it was really good uh shout out uh giselle and gisela yeah shout out to you where how did that make you feel when that song was blowing up was it it must have been fun making a track with friends in a day right with this seven semitone vocal and it starts to do well you're like what's going on yeah it was it was funny because like usually a lot of my songs have like 60 tracks on them on ableton right like you have a bunch of stuff and then you're like wow this track is really complex i'm adding something new
to this like i'm doing sort of like all this different stuff nothing together has 20 tracks wow combining vocal harmonies and everything it's so simple like it's it's generally so simple and it ended up getting all that so i was like wow like i was never expecting it did you learn something from that are you gonna yeah is that gonna yeah yeah and i think i think we the three of us learned something really good about it and it's like it was like simplicity it's good like usually before it's always like let's add this let's have this let's add this and you keep adding stuff to the song that probably doesn't need it at the end of the day what people care about when they listen to a song is just if it's like it's simple if they like it or not like if it sounds good they don't even care about the mixing because the mixing of the song is completely awful it's probably the worst mixing like the worst mix song i've ever
had all my life like it's terrible the mastering is awful like we still listen to it nowadays and i'm like wow like my friends sometimes here in cologne they like to play i like to play it a lot and i'm like wow no it just sounds awful that's so so yeah you get to this you gain you come to your realization that honestly mixing mastering like it's important to a degree obviously like your song still needs to sound sort of good but at the same time it shouldn't be the main focus when you're making a song noise should be the sound design part like it should be just the general idea and the music part of it should be the main focus that everyone should have when they're making a song because i see a lot of people nowadays are really focused on standing out by making new sounds and all of that and that's really cool
yeah but it's not like someone on the general let's say people are not producers or they're not making music like i cannot show a song to my friends right now and be like oh you listen to this sound like it's new i made it from scratch you're gonna be like yeah i don't care if it doesn't sound good to them they don't care it could be a replica of a piano and someone's singing on top of it and that's it if it's good it's good and i remember me and just selling just all panicking out because they were like oh this song is not gonna do good they were like okay if we get 10 000 streams we'll be happy that was our goal to get 10 000 streams we're like if we get 10 000 that's okay like we can tell that we got five digits that's perfect then 4.8 million streams wow yeah it's so true and all of those things are so true keep it simple
all that matters is the song yes all that other stuff matters but if you don't have a song it really doesn't matter because nobody cares somebody cares about great sounding bad songs somebody hears them right exactly like nobody honestly is gonna ever notice all the kicks too loud no right they don't listen to music to judge it in that way they listen to just enjoy it right most normal people don't talk about kick drums and snare drums at all they don't know what they are exactly and when i show my friends some of the songs here um they are always it's weird because they're always attracted they like more the songs that are so simple for me right that it took like a simple day to make they like it more than the ones that i take maybe three days to make or four days to me and then i have to make a thousand revisions on them they usually like more the simple things so i started going that way
i think that as producers and music lovers we want to produce something like queen so that we can be like oh yeah dude i did that look at how many layers deep it is look at how look at how smart i am that what i built there but and people love that obviously but mostly people love simple stuff like you keep saying right it's it's it's that's the stuff people like yeah and i honestly right now when i make a song i don't even think about a lot of things a lot of details it's just like it sounds good that's it you got to know when to just stop and just exactly because because you're like i think when you're making music it's always seeking for perfection i think we're all perfectionists but you have to come to realize that it's never going to be perfect so everybody says they're a perfectionist but i think that when people say i'm a perfectionist and i've said this in the past that just means i'm lazy and i'd and i'm afraid to
finish my songs that's all that means right it doesn't mean you're a perfectionist at all it means you're too scared to to finish the mix bounce it down and send it to your friend because they might go yeah exactly and honestly like it's already a success when you put it on out like if you release it it's already a success regardless of the place it gets regardless of what people tell you like i've had people tell me like oh the song of yours i don't like it don't release stuff like this right and i don't care i'm still gonna do it right because i honestly i make music for myself for most of the times like i don't make music for anything else that's great yeah like every time i have a trip it's always like okay what's gonna be the soundtrack for this trip right and you make songs based off that that's it so great so many people say that you're all the stuff you've been saying in the
last five minutes especially is just bang on with most of the interviews i've done so far it's like simple i make music for myself you're really good at finishing though i love that you finish tracks in like a day that's just that's that is a sick move yeah it's actually something that you i remember you used to tell everyone all the time oh yeah you used to always tell that to everyone it's like finish it cool what a cool guy man yeah [Laughter] you're always like finishing yeah i i should take my own advice i think yeah so what is your favorite part is your favorite part starting a song or finishing a song then um it has to be starting a song right honestly when i finish song i don't i don't want to listen to it ever again right like you do it anyway but i do it yeah i still listen to them a couple times
um but it's not like i honestly don't even save my own music does it feel like a job or does it feel like uh when you have to finish something but you just do it anyway or does it sort of feel good to finish it like why why do you finish so quickly how do you do that the a lot like let's say if i have to produce something for someone a lot of times and i don't want to or i just don't see it like i can see the idea but i don't like it myself it feels like a job it's like okay i can finish it but i'm not gonna be happy with it but the other way around when i'm making it no it doesn't feel like a job ever like i finished it because a lot of times when i when i'm making the song that and i get the clear idea of how i want it and it starts shaping out the way that i want it to it's amazing like it's great for me it's great and then i usually leave like the first
day that i started making a song i usually make it all up till the first chorus so i don't have the verse 2 or anything so for me it's always like oh i want to listen to the song finished like i want to listen to the second verse i want to listen to as if i was a consumer always so it's really fun for me that way that's true i always keep all the versions so i listen like oh wow i changed this i did this it sounds very like this all that you do save as yeah yeah yeah i always save ass and then i just go and listen to the previous versions when i finish it i listen to all the previous versions i have sometimes you delete stuff and you're like maybe that was intended to be there like maybe now it works so all those little things it's really cool yeah and i really like finishing songs
immediately and also like i think it was that because i always was put in the like on the spot of finishing a song in a day and also another part was that the computer that i used to have was this super small computer like windows xp like it was the worst computer that you could ever think of and the fun part the bad part about that computer is that you couldn't unplug it first of all like it always had to be plugged in and it was a laptop and then the second thing was that i used to make music on apple studio demo right so when you were making a song you couldn't close the project right so i had to leave it open until i exported it amazing so basically i also got used because of that it's like i don't i could never close a project and if i wanted to do let's say homework for
school that project would be like taxing my my ram like my cpu so the computer would be really slow so it would always be like okay i need to finish this and close it because if not i'm not going to be able to do anything else that's amazing yeah so that's how i got used to finishing tracks that is so great limitations yeah are one of your biggest influences i love that that's great yeah um bit wig has that too where their demo you can it's a full demo but as soon as you close like as soon as like you can't quit you can't save right um that's a good way to do it because it gives you a good experience of the of the software but if you're serious about it you gotta you gotta pull out your wallet right if you wanna yeah exactly and i i remember i bought like after all those years using the demo so i didn't know what cracks were
right at this point so i would use only native plugins everything that's great and then i ended up buying apple studio like the best version of before studio and then six months later i met you and then i ended up switching to ableton and now i don't i don't use apple cider at all like i only use it yeah i i ever since 20 [Music] 2018 yeah like august 2018 i haven't used apple studio i use for a couple things like a couple effects that it has because it has this thing called grow speed and i just ableton doesn't have that it's just like a like a shaper um so i only use it for that honestly but apart from that i only use ableton like ableton is sorry for every anyone that uses studio about ableton's far superior like from someone that used devil studio for like
eight to nine years like honestly the switch was probably the best thing that i could have ever done wow that's so cool um and i'm i'm i'm glad to be a part of that switch however obviously i'm a huge ableton fan however i do have mad respect for fl studio um and i know a lot of people love it a lot of people say the exact opposite of what you said they're like no i way better i use both i weigh like the sound of fl studio better or whatever it is like everybody's got their thing right it's like i love the fact that there's these two [Music] i wouldn't even say competing but two com two software options it for that sort of genre of music where it's typically going to be mostly electronic production you can do rock on those daws but it's a little trickier but they've got certain sound qualities
and i think mostly they've got certain workflows that different people you know they like one or the other or some people like both i think probably the the best ways to like both and to at least be influenced by both because when you if you if i got you to write a track in in ableton live right now and then i got you to write the same track in fl studio it's going to turn out completely different just because of the software in the workflow right yeah exactly probably honestly i love that yeah honestly i think apple suit is so great like it's it's really good like it's really good like it's beyond good it's just a little bit more i think it's a little bit more complicated to use than ableton a lot of people say the opposite yeah i know but i think let's say for example the scents in apple studio they're a little less friendly like there's a couple things that are less friendly um but what i like about ableton more than apple studio i think the main thing is is organization that's it
like in ableton everything looks clean automations are hidden and i just press a they show up like those sort of things are really good for me that's what i that's why i like about ableton but apple studio has like the drum rack from apple studio is amazing like the sequencer it has like that's just something that it's really it was really useful for me not anymore but it's really good wouldn't it be cool if they did a collab like in there if there's like an fl yeah ableton collab yeah it would be it would be really cool honestly it would be really nice that'll sell a lot so the the other thing that i think makes fl studio interesting for me two things is you know their hesitancy or maybe it wasn't hesitancy but their their problem switching to mac to be compatible with mac you know it took forever i don't even know if it's even sort of sorted out yet and then the
other the other thing is you know they used to be called fruity loops and people just wrote them off as like a joke right and so they were like okay okay who's a joke now and they sort of like rebranded themselves as fl studio right and it's like that kid you pick on in high school and then you go away for summer and comes back over someone's like oh my name's fl studio it's like whoa fl studio is here to play let's go yeah honestly and they did the mac version like it still has a lot of books like i have it but but honestly the windows version of buffalo studio was impressive right cause it didn't crash like nothing it's really good it has like it it comes with its own driver as well and the driver that they made like the company like image line it's a really good driver that's probably
that's cool yeah i'm fascinated by by all that the evolution of yeah of daws right yeah totally so cool um do you wanna let's get into the fast track assignment okay so that's where you tell us one thing that you do really well and then give us like a little method or some things we can do for homework to practice that thing i'm honestly really good at starting an idea and that's when i come back to the sampling thing so usually when i get a sample from supplies that i really like or i hear a chord progression from splice or anything honestly usually the first thing i do is i go and i make the baseline it's the first thing i do i just get the base notes or the keynotes from all the part
after that i usually um make the chord progression out of the bass notes so it makes it so much simpler because you already know the root note you know the key everything and then you can get rid of that sample if you want to because you already have a clear idea like you already have a nice chord progression or you have a nice melody and then honestly from that i usually go into adding a vocal on the same key and i always add the vocal and i only listen to it with the bassline and the baseline is always just a long like respace i just use a like a move base i just use that just to lay it out if the vocal for me if the vocal and those chords in a piano whatever it is sound good already it's most likely the rest of the song is going to sound great and from that you can get to experiment and that depends along
the song that you want to go for i've realized that let's say a chill song usually has longer notes so they just use sustained notes whereas if you go into if you cut it you add like little like triplets or anything like that the song becomes groovier so for me it's always like take that take the sample and create the chord progression around it create the bass line around it at least the notes and then from there you can honestly go any direction you want and becomes making a song so like not simple but at least so many ideas are going to come through your head and at least you can know right away in the first 10 minutes okay is it worth it continue working on this or is it not worth it because i think a lot of people sometimes finish stuff and then they're like okay it wasn't worth it at the end so maybe you start like then looking for
vocals or you start like or you have the vocals and then you have the instrumental and they are like okay this doesn't work this doesn't work this doesn't work and they add a lot of stuff for me it's as simple as if i hear the chords with like for me any song a song is good if you can listen to it on piano and then just the vocal that makes it sound good for me like if the song sounds good like that then when you add all the stuff that you're gonna add it's gonna sound ten times better how can you improve that so i think that would be for me like for everyone it would be just like and i know there's a big signal around samples people say that's cheating or that's not like you're not learning or anything like that but honestly a song is a song like it doesn't matter a song like a good song is a good song like
all the chord progressions are already made everyone's used all progress all chord progressions have been used hundred 100 total and there's people that even like take corp i even take chord progressions from old songs like i i go and i listen to i don't know still dre by dr dre and snoop dogg and then i take the chord progression from that i'm gonna make a song out of that because all chord progressions and they're not copyrighted because you cannot copyright a chord progression um and then you can make your own melody from that honestly and it makes it really simple once you have everything laid out and you hear a vocal that's why i love supplies so much because you can just find the vocal on the same key or even on a different key but you can transpose it and that makes it so much easier obviously a good vocal from a vocalist that is written specifically for your song it's great but at the same time
um like look at nothing to compare it's just fly's vocal and honestly a lot of my songs are splice vocals and they've done pretty good so cool so yeah i would go yeah that would be this like let's say something that i would encourage a lot of people to do is take sampling the right away you don't have to use the original sample necessarily but you can get a lot of inspiration from that sample you can generally get a whole song just out of that sample and you just you just use the the sample as sort of the the template and then you build the song around it and then the musical sample i mean and then some a lot of times you'll just remove that sample and see what's left yeah exactly you can you can end up removing the sample because you made the sample like you try to recreate the sample and maybe it sounds better you did a better sound for it like all those things just make it so much easier
so and i know you were talking about you know some people don't like that like they think that's cheating or something but yeah that's all music is all music is is we hear music from the past we go whoa that's cool it all goes into our brain and then we do our version of it that's all music has ever been exactly right and then technology oh sorry go ahead go no you go ahead um no i was just saying yeah the people nowadays they want to make their own kicks they want to make their own stuff they like using samples it's just bad but i just think it helps a lot like it's just it's the most helpful way you can have for inspiration for sure and there's nothing wrong with designing your own kicks and and all that stuff that's almost a completely different thing like that's not even that's just the sonics of it which is an amazing world right like creating sounds is is different than creating
songs and they they work well together but it's uh it's two different things and if you can do both great exactly like some people get the joy like they get joy from making new sounds from sound designing that's amazing like i never i i know a little bit of sound design like i learned i have to learn so i cannot just go into serum and then i use presets a lot well let's say i have this preset then i want to have an lfo or i want something different for it or i want the lfo to be on the cutoff or something like that like you still have to learn that right so it's those little things that you can learn so you can make better stuff so yeah i think sound design is really important but in my case it's not the focus let's say right because the songs are the focus for you right coming up with a great song exactly that's that's awesome great answer lots of great stuff in there i love it
so much um [Music] what advice would you give to anybody who's listening that might be either an up-and-coming producer they want to get into production or somebody who wants to get into songwriting what would you tell them they should do i'll say honestly as simple as don't give up persistence and discipline is key for all of this like it's just simple as that because i know how frustrating it can be when you're making stuff and it doesn't sound as good or you're not writing as good as other people maybe even some of your friends it can be really frustrating like it's genuinely is really bad but i think at the end of the line you need to see that you will eventually get there if you just keep doing it you'll get there always always
it's simple like nobody was born knowing how to make music nobody like i'm not i'm not a big guy um like a big believer on talent like there's people that are actually kind of born with the skills already like they were like they can have like they can learn really quick and there's people that don't but i always think that working hard towards it it's even better than having talent but you're gonna have experience which is totally different from talent i agree and i always say like i don't believe that thing where people say i'm tone deaf or i can't write songs it's like no somebody told you that along the way and you believe that but i i think i think you're right i think we can all do this if we want yeah honestly like and also like it's also looking a lot of what you're good at like find what you're good at
right because you're not going to be good like there's people that are good at everything but not everyone like for example me i'm not good at singing like i'm genuinely not good and i'll never be good at singing with that attitude no but i i like you kind of come to terms with it and you're like okay yeah why do i need to sing if i can ride and produce and then i can get someone that actually knows how to sing and compliment me right and they're and they're maybe not as good as songwriting or or making simple productions as you are right exactly so you just need to find and also like find a group of people that can really complement each other right it's always as well it's a really good um just makes it really easy with your song joseline was great when we're making nothing to compare and all the songs that we've made together because i knew how to work around ableton or apple studio i was
really good at already knowing where things were everything and they were really good at having ideas for the song but they just didn't know how to either put that sound in or make it sound like this so basically they will tell me like add this and make it sound like this and i'll do it then we would complement each other basically and you can get a great song out of that i think you three should do another track together yes it's difficult honestly okay i it used to be easier before but now like with the workflow that i have it's kind of hard and i it's really hard for me now to collaborate with people and it's annoying because of the same thing that i just told you if someone saying tells me hey send me an idea i finish it right and then if they send me back an idea
i finish it so it's always like this there's no back and forth yeah there's never a back and forth like hey change this or maybe like that but it's always been like this there's people that approach me on instagram they're like hey want to do a song together i'm like yeah sure send me you send me an idea because if i i cannot send you an idea and there was this guy that was like no send me an idea and i remember i sent him the idea and he was like yeah but i would change this and the next day i was like you know what and i just couldn't like handle myself and i just finished it like i got the i got the vocals for it i got everything i finished it and i signed it that's like an awesome curse that's like the best curse ever i don't know i honestly hate it because everyone always when they ask me let's make a song together it's like i need to finish it the only songs i don't finish is when how to produce for someone else
like if i'm actually working with for a song for demon mike or david ghetto or something like that i don't finish it like that's the only place where i just genuinely cannot finish it because i feel really like like you really feel like okay it's not my song it's theirs i'm just adding my input that's it wow yeah and it's like okay it's not gonna have my name so it's like okay it doesn't matter having to finish is the best music production problem to have that's amazing yeah yeah okay so aside from other music that you listen to and music that you make what other things what other non-musical things inspire you musically like architecture books movies um i'm a big
fan of i wanted to be an architecture at some point really so i really like like the way buildings were made or like the sign of it i really like that and i also really like acting i don't know why interesting i really love acting like i've always looked up to it um i love people that are actors or actresses like i just love it completely who's your favorite actor or what's one of your favorite acting performances 100 percent ryan reynolds oh yeah cool look at that vancity vancouver yeah but ryan reynolds is 100 my probably my favorite actor shout out ryan reynolds shout out ryan reynolds yeah maybe get him on a track get me on a movie i'll get him on a track and he gets me yeah
but yeah ryan reynolds is probably my favorite actor full time shout out vancity another another good vancity kid um what are you currently obsessed with honestly could be musical musical or non-musical doesn't matter yeah i don't know honestly i i was really obsessed a while ago with warsaw thank god is that a game yeah a call of duty war zone it's like a battle royale game yeah i was really obsessed with it i'll play every night until like 4am with my friends but i recently stopped it's good for you yeah no it's not good it was honestly really it was counterproductive yeah it's really underproductive so i was like i need to stop playing this and i don't play anymore as much but yeah i think that and then
yeah honestly right now i'm really obsessed with finishing an album that's my obsession right now a particular one or just in general i just want to make an album like i just want to like get to say like i did this album like for me at least do you do you think of the artwork too when you do it like do you think of the title of the album and the song titles in the artwork is that a big part of it or just the music the album artwork is a big part of it but i'm not actually not really yeah it's not like i just look for an image that i like and then on camera i just do it that's my camera yeah yeah just uh usually when it comes to album covers i try to look for something that i can later on modify for the canvas i don't know if you've seen the cameras like the videos
yeah that spotify has like on the album covers yeah i made a few for my stuff yeah yeah so i think for the last two years that's been my main focus when it comes to alpha covers because when i got invited to the beta to use some canvases for spotify for me it was a big deal it was like you never used to see like everyone one of the videos with those videos so i was like okay i really need to like take it up a little bit but i didn't have money like that kind of money to just go and be like okay let me just pay for one of these every every month because i was releasing a song once a month right so i would have to just make it myself so yeah usually when it comes to cover arts i put a lot of like thought at least into how i'm gonna do it with the canvas for spotify right it's great but yeah apart from that i don't think about it a lot apart from
i'm starting to see that i should have like a little branding at least on the cover arts so now you can see my copyrights is like uh as if it was a picture so it's like a white layout and then the actual cover art is inside okay so it looks like a vintage picture sort of way and i was like yeah i should have a little bit of the branding thing behind it so that people can see that cover and be like yeah no whose song is this from right just instantly identifiable exactly um [Music] what is one thing one tool one skill that we should learn to master just in life or music wise either way
i think patience and it goes both ways like it goes both ways same with music with live it's just patience is such a great virtue because when it comes to music you know the music industry for example it's really slow with everything right you get a song signed and then really excited for it and you might have to wait a year until it gets released right sometimes when you're making a song with someone you might have to wait two months for the vocals to come through or a month for this to come through for everything so it can get really stressing if you're not patient a lot of the times and same thing when you're making music it's like people get frustrated really easy when something doesn't like come out and it's just like if you for me it's always been like yesterday for example i was frustrated because i wasn't getting
anything out like i was trying different ideas nothing worked out but if i was patient enough that i'd like after like six hours finally an idea came to my head and then it worked out and i finished it so i think patience is the main thing everyone needs 100 that's great okay let's uh let's wind this down can you tell us about any projects that you're currently working on and where we can go to find out more about you like instagram is that the best place to go yeah all instagram well i don't post much but yeah but yeah right now um i'm releasing a lot of singles this next coming months in december i'm hoping to release an album we have we like mike from dimitri vegas like mike an album coming out from him
that is coming out in probably a month and a half like right now we're releasing all the singles so it's great um and we have a bunch honestly with them i have a bunch of projects coming up we have a song with acon yeah cool so we have a bunch of stuff in the world so it's really great that's so awesome i'm so proud of you thank you um what's your instagram handle uh it's uh who music so wa cho that's no underscores or anything just that yeah i got it i got the handle i was trying to get the who not the normal one just who yeah but world health organization had it first i actually wanted to actually wanted to sue them i wanted to see them like copyright that name and just be like that's fine you cannot take it amazing
uh is there anything else you'd like to say to the listeners um if you want to collaborate with me anytime send me the idea first don't ask me to send you an idea and then we can actually make it work please that's so great that's it that's awesome dude uh it was great seeing you again and yes hilarious uh that was great advice you gave some really great advice today so thank you for that yeah always learn from you hey ladies and gentlemen for the best right ladies and gentlemen that's julian [Music]
