Ep.10 Sam Woy | LevelsFM Music Production Podcast - YouTube
[Music] [Music] this also though would be a really funny like cut at the beginning of it like before the show like what the podcast is like [Laughter] what is your name and or your alias uh my name's sam woywitka
and artistically i guess sam woy would be my artist handle that that's what you produce records by or make music by that's what i make music by but i am constantly in this debate of whether or not i should be just credited a sam woy on everything which is what i think i probably should do but it's like i just haven't done that yet for some reason for consistency well yeah i don't know i guess just because i have some like good credits of samuel woywitka even though it's like i don't really think it matters like because i don't feel like i've done the thing yet that like it's like oh everybody's right or well hopefully one day i do that thing uh where are you currently residing montreal quebec canada um
if i met you if i didn't know you and i saw i met you in an elevator and i asked you what you do what would you say i i would say a record producer and an audio engineer okay and then i'd be like i'm a songwriter and a musician and like i do a bit of video stuff but record but before that i would just be like uh i feel like i haven't actually like told people confidently that i've been a record producer for like that long i feel like that's more of a new thing oh wow that's cool are you ready for the lightning round yep what's the best song of all time the best song of all time for what feeling just anything or one of the one of the best songs of all time um
the performance or for me like the performance of the song stars by nina simone live at uh that that song always just makes me so like so emotional cool and i also when that's written by janice ian i think he's like an old folk singer i hope i'm not messing that up but uh i also i don't know there's tons of like that's great it's hard for me to but uh that song like emotional like i feel like i just uh i just want to like cry when i listen to it and i feel so much like emotion which like doesn't happen to me all the time with music but then there is sometimes where like strikes this like feeling of just being like oh my god like this is exactly why i do music and like work on this kind of stuff so cool even though you know
i love how you went right for the emotion and the performance aspect too it wasn't so much a production or recording no it's not even at all it's like it's totally like it's totally crazy just how like captivating some people can be in their playing and it's so different than like and that's something i'm so not like i'm not a i'm not a great player and i'm not a great uh i'm not like a great like technical player or anything but when i'm like performing music i'm like i'm almost trying to tap into like the theater version of myself and i'm like oh like i want to like make people like feel something emotional even if it's like something where they're like oh my god this is like weird or uncomfortable or something it's like i'd rather them feel that than be like oh like pretty dope 808 bass line or whatever
you want to evoke some emotion yeah and that's uh and that can be there's so many different types of like bill withers lovely day that's like a song for me too that i'm like there's there isn't a song that like i'm [ __ ] feeling like man like i'm feeling like i have some pep in my step and i like want to keep that [ __ ] going it's like if i put on lovely day by bill withers it's like that [ __ ] is like i'm feeling [ __ ] good in the moment you know it's like that [ __ ] is making me feel good i love bill withers totally yeah totally one of the best okay well maybe you've already answered this question with one of your answers or maybe not who has the best voice of all time like technically or however you want to answer that uh the best voice ever i mean i don't nina
simone is my favorite singer like but you know like love stevie nicks and i love um who else like i just love so many people why would you say uh stevie nicks what uh what about her voice is amazing it's just like very powerful and captivating and just like it also there's like one thing though it's like stevie nicks is like insane but it's also like stevie nick's recordings of her vocals are also true that's a comment you know rumors just is insane like it's like this is just the best right like i feel like that for sure is a record i'm constantly referencing mix wise performance wise both mix wise like tracking wise just like
to how and just in that era just how much like high end they had in that recording too it's like that's just so good and everything's in such a insane pocket and you can just i mean have you ever read the book recording rumors or whatever like it's pretty awesome and i'm pretty sure they were just uh yeah that's a cool one there's a don't know picked up some picked up some tricks from that i remember like when we were working on like the half moon run stuff and they were like oh we want to do because they were kind of had done some like their first two records which were like kind of like bigger studios well they did their first record with like nigel and stuff and it was a bit like less big then they kind of went big studio style and then they were like oh maybe we'll
try some stuff in the space and that uh when we were doing all those i was just helping them like with engineering and stuff and um you know we were definitely like referencing like fleetwood mac and just some crosby stills and nash and just trying to like tap into these old school recording techniques and just figuring out what they're doing like with their drum recordings and stuff yeah so tight and clean it's so tight and clean and like there isn't a lot of bass and it's not like all super like low midi and like it's not everything's just and then i did a i did a song with kendall osborne and i did uh and that was like totally i was like oh like this song like i love this song that you do all the time but i hear it has like this weird like fleetwood mac version of it even though that totally wasn't kind of what she was
doing and i was like oh look i feel like this is very could be like stevie like a stevie nicks fleetwood mac kind of inspired you know that was just some references that we were like listening to and drawing from while we recorded this track or her cemetery and it was uh yeah it was a i don't know just inspired you know inspired by that record as i'm sure a million people are like everyone is um okay back to the uh the lightning round um who's your favorite musical group or band my favorite band um [ __ ] this [ __ ] so crazy um different eras like led zeppelin a tribe called quest and what else those are good why would you say why would you say led zeppelin
just was the first like first music that i got into like kind of my dad's like oh man like check out zeppelin three or whatever and it was like put it on on my light distance or whatever he's like you're gonna love this and i'm just like putting it on and it's just like oh my god like i instantly want to become a drummer you know it's like i want to play drums and be in a band so cool that's just kind of and i feel like i really like also could relate to like my dad and my uncle and stuff by bringing up all this like zeppelin tunes or like pink frog or something and they'd be like oh yeah you know just like oh listen to the same music as you like i think that's pretty cool never thought about that but that's probably like people always talk about that but it's not so much as the connection to that generation you're kind of bonding between generations because you can bond
about the music right yeah totally and just like yeah like yeah i don't know what uh what else i mean what about tribe called quest why would you say them just like found it later in life and just like i feel like really was the group that like made me understand hip-hop and like beat production and just lyrics lyricists and just how i just feel like they just did it so good sorry it was just trying to get the reflection off me here i'm just um okay who would be your dream collaboration like me with someone or you producing somebody or you co-writing with somebody uh bjork for sure is like someone i
think i could do really good production for cool i think me and bjork are on like a cute cool uh is that my dream one though i think that that might be one of them uh nina simone would be another one and i mean tom york would be another person i'd like to work on music with cool um laptop or recording studio laptop really i thought you were gonna say recording studio for sure i mean i love recording studios but like i make way more i make i can't even believe how much more [ __ ] i just make on my laptop like with no gear i totally hear you i it's like i fully like i when i'm at the studio and i have all my [ __ ] i never really do anything i just like send emails and stuff but then when i get home and it's like one in the morning and i'm just sitting here like bored and i don't even have a midi
keyboard i don't even have headphones on me and i'm just like okay i'm gonna just use my laptop speaker and try and like just lay something down and i'll just use the keypad or like on my macbook keyboard to make something and but it minds you i would rather be in a dope studio right but i feel like it is totally not necessary right yeah i i totally agree and i went through like uh you know at the beginning i was like studio's super important i think that's super important then it's like laptop and then i'm like back to like oh i think i need to be back in the studio but like right now i'm like uh i don't even know if i need a studio i record people all the time and it's i question whether or not it wouldn't but i have a shitload of gear i still want a bunch of gear it's like whether or not i have a studio though it's i'm really so like in november i'm doing a record
but instead of a studio he rented like a huge cabin an hour drive out of the city and we're just gonna bring a bunch of gear and like live in this sweet ass airbnb like on a lake instead and then we come at the end of the month we come two weeks into the big studio because it's like a lot of orchestration like we have like flute players string quartet harp piano like all this all this stuff bass clarinet love bass clarinet stand up stand-up bass yeah dude the bass clarinet is such a like such a [ __ ] trick it's like a saxophone and a clarinet combined basically right well yeah and it's also i just think of the it's like even like the the hookah smoking caterpillar yeah wonderland it's like it's that guy's instrument
like that's how it sounds to me so i'm like this is like some crazy acid trip like stuff and like you can hit those low notes and it's like oh you could also just like make this into crazy synth patches like just like if you were just distorting it or something or reamping it it's just crazy awesome uh what's your favorite audio effect like delay reverb compression eq whatever uh distortion i love it distortion and like coarse or like formant shifting like i want every i everything is always kind of out of tune like i'm always pitching [ __ ] just like a little bit and just like making it kind of warbly purposefully to get what effect to make it just like wider wider and like bigger and like trippier sounding i just like i don't know i just like
stuff not sounding too like i just want it to sound weird all the time awesome uh what's your favorite plugin do you have a favorite plugin like sound toys everything and a couple of the uad plugs i guess if you could only have what else well actually actually i use and i use this titanic cytomec glue compressor like the vft compressor i think everyone should buy it because it's like super cheap and it's so good why as far as like i don't know it just seems like a real compressor to me and it's like super pumpy and it's also just like it's always on my master bias you mean it's it sounds like an analog compressor to you like it just sounds good and it's easy as [ __ ] for me to dial in and it's never like it's just like it's so simple that i'm
like oh i get this you know because even though i i'm a dude that's so in the studio and stuff sometimes there's gear that i'm just like do i [ __ ] even get what's going on here like sometimes you know what i mean sometimes i'm like using an eq or a specific compressor that i'm just like i don't like what's the [ __ ] classic one that everyone has that tube tech the blue compressor the tube tag right i know people are gonna like i just don't like it whenever i use it i'm like this [ __ ] just does not like work for me ever and i just like whenever i patch into it i'm like patch out of that is it be because the controls are so different or you just don't like the sound like i don't know if that's what it is or if it's just like every time i use it though i'm like i'm like never mind yeah i i hear you there's there's some pieces of gear that
i use where i'm like i don't see what the big deal is about this thing or i don't yeah i'm like why yeah yeah and it's just you know but then like a dbx 160 or something that's just so like i know exactly how it's going to do its thing and it's like the same or even like a and i always like colored stuff like i don't i don't like using stuff that's like transparent other than maybe like gml stuff or something that's like but i feel like it's so high fidelity that i'm like it isn't that like not colored it's like it's got a sound in that it's high fidelity sounding it just sounds so crispy and like yeah i imagine this is like what elton john pianos are going through that's probably true um okay which song sounds great
which song sounds great um it's so funny it's like it's so funny being quizzed about music songs um like i don't know pet sounds everything on pet sounds um everything on pet sounds uh let's go with that so why why would you say that what is it about those songs it's just just the way they recorded like those background vocals and the reverbs the reverbs and thinking about the time and like just how like relevant it is today like i feel like that [ __ ] is just full circle i feel like i hear people referencing like the beach boys and stuff a lot recently for some reason but maybe that's just the people i'm around i don't know that may also be part of it that's awesome but uh okay that's the end of the lightning
round what did you think of lightning round uh that was cool it's funny being asked about music though yeah i know in a way where you need to more than i'm just like dude it's rad you know it's funny trying to explain why i actually like something is a different thing i hear you i do that just to get people hyped up and thinking about stuff i just cannot get away from this glare i can't i don't know what to do i can go like that but i'm gonna light my joint again awesome and you do you do like do you edit this podcast like little bits of it it's just whatever happens happens okay um okay but i'm just i'm just gonna edit this part out okay let's keep going with the glare so
um you're in montreal where are you originally from cumberland british columbia which is a small like coal mining town outside of comax which is vancouver island north vancouver island yeah shout out cumberland shout out to dodge yeah dodge city so young sammy's growing up in cumberland and can you tell us like uh early musical uh memory okay i mean yeah uh like okay uh i just started well can i just say like how i started playing music i mean that was kind of my earliest musical memory it wasn't much of a lead up other than i played a lot of basketball and i happened to convince my mom and my aunt like after so long like
please let me buy a drum kit like i got a drum kit listening to john bonham and [ __ ] right and i was just like i need a drum kit got the drum kit sucked acid drums could not do it and i was like i'm putting these away put them away just continued playing lots of basketball and like my best friend kale like live next door that's where we played basketball we went up to the junior school one night and uh he fell and he broke his knee and it was like really gnarly and then uh his grandpa was like a guitar player and he's like oh like you got this broken knee for the next like six months i'm gonna bring you a guitar and kale just like started hanging out with our other friend matt who was like a good guitar player and like playing in a band and they started jamming together and just but basically by the time kale's knee was healed he like came over my house and i just remember he had his guitar in his amp he's like all right dude like get your drum kit out and i'm like what and i'm like dude i
can't play he's like gonna learn today and like this gets me to set up the kit and i still remember the song it was called reigning terror and it was like the drumbeat that he tried he's like all right you need to do this and that [ __ ] i could not do and it was like took me so long to figure it out but that was uh that was the beginning of us playing music and that's even how i ended up meeting my best friend isaac or one of my best friends isaac who lives out here and was playing in half and run and we've all been playing that was like literally just the beginning of me playing music was him making me get my drum kit out and then we just started a band how did you feel like after that first refer rehearsal or the first few times you guys got together were you thinking like in your mind's eye like maybe i want to do this like i want to be a rock star uh or was that not really well like it was
like i was into it and it was like there was a few girls like from my class and stuff that would come and watch our band practice and stuff and it was just like a whole like scene that like almost started in our really small like in my mom's basement and then we ended up meeting isaac okay so our town actually had like a really cool all ages like metal punk music scene where there was kind of like throughout the island there was probably like 10 or 15 bands that like and then a few bands from vancouver but like enough that there was at least a show a month like one or two shows a month and a lot most of the time they're all ages and so we started going to like sweet like live metal shows when we were 15 and stuff and we kind of met the guy who was playing with kale like he was in the older guy band and we
were like the younger kid band and we became friends with the other couple like kids that were around our age and then we ended up hanging out with them who was isaac and stuff and we formed a metal band and we started touring and stuff when we were like 16. and then that was when i was like okay like i am totally a drummer like give me a mohawk [ __ ] you know and it was like that was it what was the band called what was the band called oh my god i don't even want to say okay i guess i will uh we were called apocalypta and then we were called indeed and we were also called valtius which is like i don't know why i just said all three names but uh you know we played a lot of shows and we played like at the cobalt and stuff but like back when the cobalt was like rough the old cobalt and uh you know okay
yeah what uh kale's dad owned the cracker box cafe that was next door to the cobalt and we would like come and like sleep in the restaurant that was next to the cobalt or we would sleep in our van behind the cobalt like all this stuff when we were like 16 and [ __ ] and it was so funny and it was just that was the beginning and we bought a van with like banned money when we were 16 and we like the we got a bass player that was in high school that could drive us like because we none of us had a license and then we got like an older bass player to like he's like our best friend you know uh cosmic and yeah i don't know like did you end up i don't even remember where i was going with that story did you end up playing any other instruments or drums all day drums all day in that stuff and then uh
do you think that yeah the drums the drums were all oh sorry go ahead no no go for it no what were you gonna say i was gonna say did the drums help you get into production did it help you with production for sure well like that came later so like i was a pretty not super good drummer just for like a while like in a band but i was always like a really good band member as in like i loved being in the band everything like i was stoked on and always like showed up to practice and like you know i was really stoked on it but then eventually you know we stopped doing that band and we all kind of like i actually got i guess it that would have been i stopped kind of playing music around like 16 15 16 kind of just like this is all so young i guess like but i stopped actually around 1617 and then i
got into a car accident and then that was kind of like after that is when i started like deciding to take music a bit more seriously okay and then i feel it's weird i was just having a conversation with a friend of mine just before we started doing this about how like i kind of got like this brain injury and then that was kind of when i feel like a lot of my kind of production and like musical ideas and stuff started a lot more kind of after that and it's like uh what what were what weren't you like before the brain injury like you were less creative or less i don't know if it's like yeah less creative or also like just like more afraid or something wow you know like so it was like my creativity or like be
more open and stuff and like i come from a really small town and stuff too you know where it's not not everyone is like oh my god like tell us about your song you know what i mean it's like right right right it wasn't the vibe so would you say you lost your inhibitions after the injury for sure and i think that also just has to do with people with brain injury like just straight up across the board but like even even me even like when i met you my uh my vocal like i would say some stuff sometimes like i was always like kind of i don't know i would just blurt things out sometimes and it's almost like oh my god like i have like such a loose trigger on but i feel like that kind of happened after
my head injury i feel like i'd just be like and like it's like oh my god like bad moment like to say that or something you know i just thought that was your sense of humor because some people just have that sense of humor right i mean it is yeah there's part of my sense of humor for sure but then there's other parts of it that i'm like okay that's like right but that also comes with now i feel like i'm at a point in my life artistic kind of life like or uh the life cycle of it and i feel like i'm now in this zone where i feel so open to just doing anything and like i'm not like afraid of people's like opinion of it really where i feel like i really used to like be like think about that kind of stuff and like now but that also might be living in montreal too that like has really like i'm very grateful for all the people that live here for sure because
it's such a like open artistic like city people are like pretty open to just a lot of stuff and i find it pretty inspiring part of that is getting older too like i think the more you get older the less you care what other people think like you're just like whatever i'm just doing my thing i don't care for sure yeah i feel interesting though late bloomer malay bloomer cool um when you produce stuff is there an instrument that you like to add to your productions like what's your favorite sounding instrument might be something you play and something you don't play uh i mean right now it's like i'm obsessed with modular sound cool like it's just like i'm just so into modular sense right now that's like i don't even think like okay everyone listening to this podcast right now if you aren't on modular sense like like
everyone is gonna have a modular synth person in the band in five years like let's just see if they do or not like straight up you know it's like predictions i'm just like i don't know i think it's so there's such a spectrum of sonic stuff you can tap into that is just like yeah like i can't do this with any other thing whether it even be a computer or like it's like how do i get this like digital feeling but like also such a warm woody feeling from like these analog oscillators and stuff that are like and like these companies making oscillators that are to me just sound better than any other like synth company not to like i don't know anyways i just like love modular i also love shitty drum mics and i love distortion
that's like and like being creative and not trying to copy people and like being as out of the box as you can you like experimenting in the studio a lot right as much as you can and like my whole thing is every single i can't say every person i've ever worked with but most of them i know i am like like pushing them into like something that they're not like that they're like okay dude like let's try it like but you know it's like out of the comfort zone for sure do they like it afterwards for sure like i mean i just did a session with this uh with this singer should i say her name i guess so yeah i just did this song with a girl named stephanie parnell and we had done two songs together and
and then she just was like oh we really i really want you guys me and mishka who's like kind of one of my main writing partners he's the other half of fang my band right um we just went into the studio and we did this thing and i'm like oh i hear just the end of this song and what her like lyrics were about it's like such a like inner um emotional like turmoil and stuff but like the ending we were like trying to build up this thing and i had her going through like my modular and like all these crazy different patches and it just sounded so trippy and i'm like i want you to like just scream like the things that you feel like you know and i'm like tell me what it's about and she'd be talking about like the people or the subject matter and i'm like what are like the words that like come to mind
when you're like feeling this stuff you know and i'm like and this is her vocal mic is going into the modular and you're adjusting to the modular and i have it like going through just like all these trippy like delays and like different like pitch samplers and granular like synthesizers and stuff and it sounds so trippy and i'm like i just want you to like scream these words like and like be like you know really tap into how you feel about like what you wrote this song about and and you know just at the end i could tell like because i'm like she's like embarrassed i'm like i know i'm here she's like maybe i should do this at home and i'm like no dude just like do it right now like just pretend i'm not here and like and then i like she's like i don't know exactly what you mean so i'm like i'll show you take i'll do like what i'm saying and then i just pretended to be her and was like screaming into it you know and then she's like all right and then we did the whole thing and like i sent it to mishka and i sent it to her
at the end and it's like oh my god like we just made the whole thing you know at the end it was like thank god like we and she was like dude that was so awkward and like but she's like she was like thank you for like forcing me to do that because it's like also like she's more of like a she's a really great folk singer like it's kind of a stevie nicks voice and it was just like she's like i'm not used to like doing something like that and she was just kind of stoked on it and it was you know i feel like the guy that wrote my bio for me i think the the ending of the thing is like continuing to push artists out of their comfort zone is that was like kind of the main idea of it and i feel like that's a pretty true whether it's even just the [ __ ] i'm doing while people are doing takes like i'm also just like trying to get people pumped up
you know right like i'm not just sitting there i don't even have a seat in my studio it's all standing there's nothing it's yeah dude it's legit all standing that's so awesome and it's all just like one big room so like my drum kits here like in like vocals like i just have them in the room with me like kind of right in the back and like i'm just standing there and if i do sit i have like a humongous like exercise ball that i just sit on like a big yeah but it's good times it's awesome that's cool i love uh that style of recording studio the daniel and wasstal where it's just one room and all the instruments and the console and the mics are all together that's really cool yeah it's like it's a bit funner for me or well it's just for everyone i think yeah yeah i don't yeah and i don't like give a [ __ ] about like i've gotten to that was another thing about coming from vancouver and
moving to montreal just like being like oh my god how much less everyone or well i can't say everyone and i can't like group everyone into one thing but i just feel like people are not as worried about like someone's footstep in the back of like a piano recording or like the fire truck driving by like the studio and like it's in the piano mics like it's just not like they're just like and like the takes it's not like oh like 50 takes it's like people are just kind of like it feels like there's a bit more just a freedom for like things to be what they are right and i feel like that has been a very like nice thing for me to realize and understand that's really cool i love that and stuff that like happens while you're recording like a lot of like it just makes so many cool moments you know where it's like you can't ever recreate
especially when it's like the fire truck went by and it's perfectly like in key or something right right which it always is it always is totally yeah my my joke whenever that happens is well it saves me from doing it later right now i don't have to overdub the fire truck yeah yeah yeah like we were doing or can i just keep like blabbing about randomly go for it i love it we were doing uh so i was like doing some songwriting with like patrick watson when i met him and uh this was kind of we met and we started working on tunes and then it was just like boom like pandemic and it was just like totally crazy and um there was but then like things like started getting a bit better and we we started meeting up and working on music together but like at his house on his deck
and like he would be by the deck in his house with like a piano and a setup and then i have a station outside on his deck and like we would track and like kind of just write lyrics from a distance like together and then he would be tracking piano and there was this one moment where like the kid next door is just like ah and like it was just such a rad production moment that was up oh good and then there was another time where just one of his neighbors happened to be just like an amazing like violin player and was just practicing something in the same key that we're like working on and it's just like you hear little moments of this really far away violin and it's like oh that's so weird and it's all like recorded as if it's in a brick building like across an alleyway and it's like oh that's because that's
exactly what happened right right right that's so cool that's really great just being open to that stuff happening just being open to whatever happens happens yeah i mean obviously you know yeah just not just not caring as much as i did at one point you know better such better music and like a better time right right like you care about it because you show up every day yeah like that's that's what i was going to say you're not going to let any crazy bad mistakes go through you're going to fix those but aside from that just being more open to whatever happens yeah yeah and just like less pressure on everyone i feel like just like you know and just like even when stuff costs money and [ __ ] and like people have money and timelines and budgets but just like
realizing that it's still like the products gonna be way sweeter if we're all just like having a good time and like people are like kind of doing what they want and you know as long as it's like not going crazy which like i never feel like it does because everyone in the room wants to work on the tune like usually anyways like if you're work you get to work with cool people wait um what what would you say what like what is music production to you what's the definition of it either wall [ __ ] i think it's a lot i think that's like artist dependent artist to artist dependent because like there's so like some people some people think producer means like write me a song which is totally like happens all the time it's like oh like i kind of have a song
but like can you like finish it and like make it into like cool drums like violins like you know then there's other people that like like actually don't even really want your production but like think they do and then it's like you don't actually want or need my ideas that much you almost need someone just to like sign off on your ideas for you and it's just like oh like i just need sam i need to just trust that sam can say like what i'm saying is right and that like and that the [ __ ] that i'm doing actually and you know if it really isn't that dope or there's something to cut like you know what i mean yeah i don't know i guess i don't know if that makes sense to everyone but i do think it's definitely like guidance and
like incubation of like an idea and just helping you and i feel like a lot of the time it's like connecting people with other people yeah like that's a huge production call and once again like hopefully as a producer you can think outside of a box enough to like lend them something some ideas that are like original i guess and hopefully you can help them stand out from just like the norm right unless that's really what you're looking for which i think some people are but uh i don't uh well even even when people are looking to have a hit or make their music popular they're still gonna need some aspect of originality in that hit because all hits are a combination of something we've heard before with an original twist to it right yeah yeah yeah for sure
can you tell us about when you i mean i don't know what you were thinking at this time or where you where you were you know career-wise but when you started working with chin or maybe just before you started working with chin what was that like what did you do for chin okay well how did i start working well okay i'll just i was a landscaper and i was living in calgary and i was like not having a good time and i decided to move back to vancouver island and i just asked my uncle who had this cabin on the beach like that i always have wanted to live in and it just lined up and he was like yeah you can stay there for a while i went and i moved to like this cabin on the beach with my dog and it was so dope and i was just like oh my god like i could live here forever and then just after and i had like a tc
helicon voice live touch a digi 03 rack an rc 300 boss loot pedal or whatever my gretch chet atkins guitar and i had a machine i couldn't use any of it couldn't figure out anything it was like me and my dumb friends would like try the voice live touch or something and i'm like this is so stupid but like like i just can't figure any of this crap out and then eventually one day i was like maybe i do even though i've heard from people that went to audio engineering school that it wasn't a good call for them i was like maybe i need to go do that and just see if it's the right thing for me just started thinking about that and then i'd go to my ex bass player's house that night just to like have a beer with him or something or you know we're just hanging out we're both like just moved back from calgary so like he's at his mom's i'm living in this random cabin
and he's like uh he's just like oh like i heard of this music school in vancouver like you should go check it out and i'm just like oh like really and he's like yeah yeah like check it out online and then i went home that night checked it out and i was like i really want to learn how to make beats and i want to learn how to record bands if i'm ever in a metal band again like i want to know how to track drums and i want to just see if i can make my own beats or like there wasn't really much of a thought to it other than i want to make better beats and be able to record myself if i ever play drums in a band still not that serious about music but it was what i wanted to do i was like i'm gonna quit landscaping and like start doing music like seriously and then i went over to have a like like check out the school and stuff
went in checked it out they were like class starts next week do you want to enroll and i was like yes i do left came back started school i was like i'm like i really want to meet this chin guy and i just started doing everything at the school i started like uh volunteering for different like events and all this different stuff and i tried to get involved in a lot of stuff i teamed up with a green couch productions which was like at the time they were doing takeaway shows which are kind of like on site like live audio recordings of bands and they needed some help and i started uh i started assisting audio like with them and the first one we did it was with local natives and it was like a band that i was just like really into at the time and i was like oh my god this is so awesome i can't believe i get to do this and then the third one was with chin
and um and he's like oh like nice to meet you and i'm like oh like you're actually one of the reasons like i'm in vancouver doing audio engineering school right now like i really want to meet you i really wanted to meet you and he's like oh no way that's crazy and i'm just like yeah like if you ever need help or just need an extra engineer or just someone you want to hang out with i'm like like i'd love to be able to get your phone number and then he's just like yeah like come by the studio and so i just like called him up like probably a week after that and i was like hey man blah blah blah and he's like oh yeah come down and i met with uh i met with uh his assistant and uh and i met with him and his assistant and then we were all friends just kind of hanging out that night and just was he was they were all just showing me some beats and i was showing him some stuff and then about oh probably two weeks after that i just
randomly texted him and he was actually at the farm studios and he was tracking with khalil and they were doing background vocals for the aloe black song i'm the man i'm the man i'm the man and like i went to that session they were like oh you should come by and like meet khalil or whatever and i was like i just went by and like was hanging out and you know it was probably like month four of me being in school or month five and then just kind of like hung out with them and just kind of like was like a slow burn on like meeting them and then eventually i noticed like i just had the other assistant on like facebook and stuff and i noticed like he was out of town like he's like oh i moved back to home or whatever and i was like oh trippy and then i texted chen and i was like hey man like what's up and then shin was like yo sam just thinking about you he's like you i want to talk to you you should
come by the studio tomorrow and i'm like okay and then went by the studio and that was like probably like month seven or eight of school and then uh he was like i need some help around the studio and i just started showing up every single day and never did i not show up and that was kind of how i met him and started working with him that's that's amazing and then tell us about because you had kind of a similar experience when you moved to montreal right a few months later or a year later or whatever it was later whatever two years later um so same thing it was like i went uh i was just driving out i was driving out east and i just like was like oh i'm gonna like not be in la and vancouver anymore and i'm gonna move out east and just kind of see what kind of you know toronto
montreal area could do you know new york like just kind of go hang out on that side of the scene for a while which is totally a different thing out here i feel like it's totally different and i just was driving out and i i got an email just from a guy named fran schuler who's like one of the guys from grimskunk and an owner of indica records and i got an email and he's like hey sam like nice to meet you you you should go but and i was just like hey like i'm a audio engineer producer would love to come by the studio and check it out and see what's up and friends is like a super open like friendly guy and he's just like oh yeah like drop by whenever you want and i just like dropped by one day and i walked in and i was i just i just literally got the address
and i walked in and i didn't know anyone and i didn't know anything and first guy i see is like peter who's the guy who runs the studio and i'm like sup man and he's like hey who are you i'm like my name's sam and then i just go into my story i just drove here from vancouver island i'm an audio engineer like these are all the people i've like worked with and trained with this is the gear i have i'm like who's who works here and he's like just me i'm like you need some help and he's like uh i'm like you know and i'm like you wanna have a beer or something and we like have a beer together and we just talk about you know whatever we talk about some bands we talk about compressors like he's just such an open nice guy and we just like literally jump into talking about gear and like different bands and it was just like so funny catching up with them and i was like yo man like i want to do a session like can i come assist you
and at this point i'm like i've done so many sessions and i've assisted so much like i'm totally stoked to just come and help him you know because um i know it's going to be like good for him and we just uh he's like yeah man like tomorrow there's a metal band coming in and if you want to come do the session with me like that would be sweet and just like went in there brought a bunch of sweet gear brought like some cool snare drums brought some mics brought some compressors just set every like helped him set everything up cleaned up went and grabbed some beers you know just helped set a mood and at the end of the night like tore down everything while he was like talking to the band and he's just like well that was fun he's like you want to come to the session tomorrow i'm like yeah man show up kept showing up sessions were over i'm like can i come in on mondays like yeah sure i don't know when i'll be here
but you can come in he's like i guess we'll cut you a key that was like the third day he met me they got me a key and they made me an indica records email like after the fifth day i was there and it was like and all i did was like truly was i was just like i was happy to be there i was nice to everyone i like offered to like you know buy a coffee for them or whoever and just like i organized and just added to the cleanliness and the organization of the studio right because like that's something that can always be improved in the studio and is always nice and like nobody wants to do it 100 and if but if you own it and you're the person that does it and like you're the only person that is making that [ __ ] happen it's like kind of a cool trophy to also have being like nice i'm the guy that's like really like organizing this place and like mopping the floors and [ __ ] you
know right right like every assistant i feel like can at least find some like you know some something in that like people working in a clean environment and stuff like yeah it's interesting you say that too because it's like um a lot of times you know you get your studio set up and it looks great and everything's dialed in and then five years goes by or three years goes by and nobody's really like you know done anything more than vacuum a couple times and it's just everything's kind of got this layer of dust and this it's not organized anymore like it used to be things have broken off or whatever and somebody comes in with a new eye and just sort of cleans up the whole place right yeah and that's like dude like people people would come and check the studio out and people would be like whoa like what happened in here and everyone would
be like sam did it and and it would be like a cool you know it's like oh like that's a cool contribution that you can give to like a space yeah you know if you have a i don't know and just can i i guess i'll just keep talking like yeah go playing like being um like show up and like expect to be doing stuff like that for like a long time right like just keep showing up and be stoked on doing it and just like know that like a lot of people have like assisted for a long time and have like you know i'm like i will still do it you know it's like i'll still do all that stuff if it's the right opportunity and like the right space like i am down to like go grab everyone's dinner and
like come and like clean some [ __ ] up if you just like let me hang out like for sure i'm down and you know and i'm like i don't think i'll ever not be down you know what i mean if it's the right room and like i'm getting treated the right way it's like i'm totally down to like freaking what do you take in your latte almond milk or oatmeal look like i'm down um i have a question from tamara edelman and it is a two-part question and it is what has been your biggest career high and your biggest career challenge so far biggest career high and biggest career challenge that's so crazy i don't know um i think
i think going to l.a and like getting to be in a room with like crazy producers you know i got to work with like someone like dr dre's like main collaborators and stuff i got to work with like de la soul and just like being in a room with people and you know i got to see songs get made for like aloe blacc and like anderson pack and stuff that i hear later being like oh my god like and it's like everyone loves it you know what i mean it's not like some people know about it it's like it's on obama's like favorite songs list and [ __ ] like and it's just like oh like that was just like so crazy to me and i remember feeling like that was so early on in my career too that it was like that was very exciting but there's also stuff like like my i just started a record label
and we just put out our first record which is also like a record that i wrote with like one of my best friends during the pandemic and that is such a and now and we like have been asked that you know we got booked for some shows without even we've never even we never even played any of the songs before we got booked you know and it was like so that's also like a huge high for me but the first day like when chin called me up too like i remember calling like a good friend of mine like after we like had i had hung out with chin like the first day like i drove him home or something and i remember driving home like [ __ ] smiling you know and just like i felt so in touch with the flow like it's gonna sound stoner or whatever but the flow of the universe to the point where it's like you actually can feel like true happiness like in your body and it's not like uh and it's like you're like oh my god i'm gonna like yell or something because
like i feel so pumped in the situation feels so right and it's actually like something you want so bad actually working out you know and you're just like oh my god it's actually working out it's like synchronicity or it's like all your hard work paying off you know yeah yeah because you are a hard worker you're a hard worker and um you know you deserve rewards from that hard work right for sure and like i guess like that would be the part two answer to the part to the question would be there's so many times where i want to quit doing music and just be like i hate doing this [ __ ] and it's dumb and like i'm an idiot for doing it and like i make you know like i'll say the harshest stuff to myself and it's just like oh follow your dreams like like [ __ ] you dude like
but you know and then there's always something will work out enough to be like okay i guess i should just keep doing this and i'm also surrounded by people that i really respect and think are like absolutely insane like insanely talented and i'm just i'm also surrounded by a lot of people that do have full-on music careers and aren't like you know they're not like they don't have yachts or lamborghinis or anything but it's like they have families and like normal life sustainability and stuff and i'm just like okay if if i'm just around people i respect and that like are doing what i want to do like i just want to like stay around these people you know and just eventually like hopefully my life just shifts and you know i'm going down the river
of like being around all these other people that i'm like well i want to be like you so it's like as long as i can stay in your graces and like we get to work together it's like it's only bound to happen you know it's funny that you say that you know you sometimes you feel like quitting it's i think all of us feel that at some point right it's just this like what have i done like why did i even think for a second i could be part of this club like what an idiot how is it too late to go back to whatever school yeah and then you wake up the next day and you're like well enough of that back to back to work right because i i don't i don't think we could do anything else i think this is the only thing we can really do right well that's what i think about it's like and then i start thinking about all the other jobs like when i really think about the other jobs i want it's always some other [ __ ] abstract grind that i'm like okay what you're gonna start
building like masks for like fashion models like in fashion shoots or something like you know it's all these like okay i think like i could really be like abstract like dop for like horror films or something and it's like okay dude but like that's a new just grind just like music and like right gonna take a lot of work and but anything worth you know anything is just hard yeah that's true but yeah it's true the quitting and stuff and like the imposter syndrome but the imposter syndrome i feel like does if you work hard enough and you do enough dope [ __ ] it like eventually is like not as bad because i feel like i'm finally tapping into like a space where i can be like confident in just what i do but it's taken like you know
doing a thousand mixes or something it's like done like a bunch of bad drum takes and like recorded a lot of shitty vocals that i've had to fix later and been like oh my god like didn't pay attention to this good enough or [Music] you know or like making song calls that are just so stupid like there's just and and dealing with people in the wrong way i'd say that's like a major one that like i'm trying to get better at and i'm still like working on what would be an example of that being too like like being nervous because like i feel like in the early stages of your career there's like a lot of like unknowns and you don't know anything about the music industry and stuff and there's like there's so many questions with like
splits or like right like what are you entitled to like as like what you're doing as your job and like what what does everyone get and like what does everyone talk and it's just always like these weird awkward combos and sometimes you don't say something or like maybe you do at a later date or you or you're nervous someone's like trying to take advantage of you or something and then maybe you're like less open to just like letting stuff happen because yeah like there's like there's just songs that i know could have been great that just like never got finished because like i feel like there was insecurities on either my behalf or someone else's and it's like and it's like uh we both probably could have just like trusted each other more and been like
maybe both of us would have been rich right now you know and it's just like there's yeah one person in particular that i legit just talked to today i'm like and i did totally did that too and we just haven't like spoke in a long time and i'm like oh like like we should finish that song and like i should like say that like but at the exact time where there was something that happened that just made me feel insecure then i felt like oh my god like and it's so weird because it's like a a song that like i wrote and like wrote the instrumental for and she's like this great up-and-coming artist and i felt like there was uh and she was just gonna start playing it before like we had just like really like finished anything or like and i just remember i said something i don't remember exactly
what it was but i feel like it just kind of like i was just kind of like nervous about something bad happening even though there was nothing happening that i just feel like subconsciously just wrecked the energy and like therefore we didn't even end up like finishing it and i do feel like it was my fault for just like bringing in anxious energy into like a creative situation that was like and it wasn't even like i said anything like weird it was just like it was just me like introducing this like this like insecurity or like anxiety about something and i would say that kind of stuff is like what will wreck your production career and like that's the kind of [ __ ] i think that's really important about being a producer if i'm getting real about it it's like and like feeling like you have to make
sure you don't get like like screwed over but you also need to make sure that your like ego's in check to the point where you're not trying to where people aren't like that people aren't trying to like rip you off or something you know i think in that situation all parties are trying to avoid getting ripped off and it ends up being at the expense of the art and then that argument causes the art to never come out which makes it all null and void anyway right like i think a lot of people have been through that exact same experience because you don't want to be the person that gets ripped off but you don't want to be the person that rips somebody off but you don't but you know it's like it's this tough thing like and which is like and like that [ __ ] is like good luck everyone because yeah i still
am like experienced now at this point and i've done it a bunch and it's still so awkward yeah and like even when you have a manager it's like your manager is just like way more intense than you and then the artist will end up texting you anyways right and all you can all you can say is yeah they're crazy yeah or it's just like or it's like yo like you need to go through the manager but then it comes back to like what we were just talking about adding in some weird-ass energy that's like oh like i can't talk to you you gotta talk to my manager and like so i just like i don't know all that shit's uncomfortable and like good luck i don't know like where the advice is like the the only way i've been able to mitigate that in any way is to say early on because you can't say early on okay let's talk about like high
on foot so let's talk about the splits because everybody's like this sucks but i usually say hi i'm hi i'm foot we're going to eventually have to have an awkward conversation about splits and i don't want to have it to the same amount that you don't want to have it but we're going to have to have it so let's know that we're going to need to do that sooner rather than later but let's not talk about it now let's just get this let's just get the songs going now oh yeah get it going and kind of see where i would say before you're like fully getting into like mix zone and [ __ ] you should probably like have the combo but you do want to like give it enough time to like see if you're gonna write anything on it because you know or like you know because if you once you're at the spot where you know what you're doing is going to be dope and they're going to be like okay i really want to use this stuff then you don't need to be
so worried about it right because and like you know it's it's mostly with writing and production fees like being a day rate studio engineer or a mixing engineer like that shit's pretty easy the only weird thing is if you're asking for points with a mix which like i think sometimes like i've never i don't think i've ever actually gotten that but i do think i should get a point for when i'm doing a mix like because i'm always doing like kind of production and stuff you know right it's like in my mixing i'm not just like throwing up like a hall reverb and like it's like there's so much going into it it's like this is borderline production yeah when you're doing all these like pitch delay throws and like all this like crazy like oh now i'm gonna like put it through an amp like in my studio and stuff like you know what i mean yeah and then and then everybody's manager you know one of their main jobs
is to make sure that their client gets the best deal possible so they're trying to tell you that all the work you're doing is worth nothing yeah when you're like no i don't think that's the case i mean and hopefully that's like i think that's like maybe changing a bit like at least when i talk to like younger managers and stuff they seem a bit more like they seem a bit more in tuned with like knowing that like there should be some points like more points given to the producer and like more like you know like drum programming like to me i'm like drum programming is like something that should be getting you songwriting credit like i don't understand how like in the modern music industry we're not saying that like drum programming isn't like songwriting like it's so
like modern music it's like does anyone care about anything other than the drum production like you know what i mean not actually you know but kind of like maybe five years ago like yeah it's like oh this is just like i don't know though because i think that shit's total bull crap i'm like okay but like you're you had a vocal and an acoustic guitar thing is there any guitar on this song it's like no it's like is there like drums strings [ __ ] synth like 10 new people it's like i don't know and i also feel like you should want everyone to have a piece of it like at least that like that you're like okay they like this person did like this like i hired a guy to come in and do like a base over dub but he actually had like an arrangement
call and like wrote the melody on his base that is now the instrumental hook of the song should probably be making sure you like give that guy some points like some songwriting credit just so you're like i recognize what you did even though i paid you your like 250 dollar day rate like you wrote an ad added something to this song that is so clearly just changed it like even though there's no points discussed like here's your day rate and ten percent or something like i just don't know why people wouldn't want to do that be cool if there was like an app or something that just sort of addressed all that stuff right everybody everybody agreed to at the beginning let's kind of let the app figure it out we'll feed it with maybe some kind of ai app that kind of it's really funny yeah it's like oh like yeah oh that little like bridge like guitar
like right there really like oh yeah it's eight points it's it said sam was getting five percent of this song but i don't know that part he wrote is pretty catchy let's bump him up to 15. yeah whatever yeah that would be pretty cool well you're on to something now we just have to find somebody to make that app sound because i don't i don't think it's you or or i that's going to make it okay let's move on to the uh the fast track assignment which is where you tell us one thing of the many things that you do really well and then give us a little step-by-step method so that we can practice doing that one thing at home and be more like sam roy samoy okay um i think that my biggest help in music production in my career so far has been being a person that gets invited to
studio sessions and whether that's just even meeting people in the first place to like talk and be brave enough to like tell them why i want to talk to them and be like this is what i'm about and like i would really like love to come to your session or whatever like can i give you my phone number or whatever it is you know like and i mean it's weird to say like oh just like make sure you're like likable so everyone will want to like invite you to the thing but i would just say like be eager be interested and like show that you really want to come to just like help their thing and just like you just want to be there to experience it because you know experiencing you know sometimes i think people forget
that especially like older engineers and like people that have been doing it like how [ __ ] cool is it that we get to go you know i i get to record at this one studio down here that it's called mixed art studios in montreal and they have like this old vintage like 60s knee board all these like old compressors and [ __ ] and the studio has like a [ __ ] huge 1800 steinway in it and it's like huge and it's all like beetles-esque like it feels all acid trippy or something and it's so dope and like it's vibed out so sick the guys there are so nice they have like a cool barbecue and it's just like i get to go in there i get to like smoke weed and record people and just like have a good time you know and it's so crazy that people forget just like how sick that is you know and like just people there's like a 15
year old there out there somewhere being like oh my god if only i could be like around all this old gear and like record people the tape and [ __ ] and it's like you know that stuff like a lot of us there well not a lot of us get to do but people in our industry anyways do and it's like sometimes you forget that it's like your 14 year old self would be like so pumped you know and just be like this is the sickest you know you're all like stressed about like doing drum replacement but like it's like it's pretty sick and uh sorry i don't even know if that answered the question i don't know yeah like okay i also would say and if you do get invited to a session make sure you don't like talk too much or like give too much input or anything fly on the wall 100 of the time is gonna work for you where but like be a fly on the wall but also
be helpful fly on the wall but like get people coffee and like just just get it for him don't say nothing just like you know bring some like you know producer like loves gum and [ __ ] like bring a pack of gum and just be like yo like grab this for you like how i noticed that you drink like [ __ ] loads of almond lattes like i just grabbed you one when i showed up like right and i know that that's like it's like kissing ass without kissing too much ass you know it's just like it's just about setting the setting the vibe just one less thing people need to think about that's how you're right now you're getting called back for sure we're not even called back but just allowed in it's like and people people if you're stoked enough people like want you to be there you know right yeah they they need help they want people that are going to be
assertive and [Music] understand what kind of help they need and confident enough to ask to be allowed there in the first place right totally and and yeah and then like everything else like and every person you're gonna work with is gonna want different stuff every artist is different you're a different day-to-day it's like you're just trying to do your best you know and it's like keep learning and let go of [ __ ] that's out of your control like you know it's like back your [ __ ] up i don't know like what else do you say it's like back your [ __ ] up uh don't what what's your backup procedure do you have like uh oh dude it's i'm not that hard i have a shitload of hard drives but it's not like it's not like i don't have like clone
copy or some [ __ ] it's like i have a million hard drives i still like i was busting out like sessions from like when i was in class with you like the other day and i'm like oh this is funny but there is some stuff where i'm like i almost could use this like and re-sample it and [ __ ] or something like you know there's still some funny stuff just from i love old stuff yeah even listening back i'm just like oh this is like recorded these drums cool it's like it's so smash but uh right yeah you know so fun um can you tell us about your band it's called fang right f-h-a-n-g yeah bang yeah can you tell us about uh what do you guys got coming out how do how did the band form what do you guys sound like uh well it's so when i moved to montreal i went to a show first night and it was uh my buddy isaac was like yo dude we gotta
go check out this band black legare and i'm like okay what's that and he's like they're safe don't worry just like let's go and it's he's like it's two bass players and a drummer and i'm like okay and it's like one bass player from whose name is mishka stein who plays with like everyone but like his main he's patrick watson's bass player and then the other guy morgan moore is the bass player he's playing with the bar brothers for a lot of years and he is also just like an insane jazz dude and robbie kuster is on the drums and they have like this sick side project and there's two bass players and a drummer and it was like blew my mind and i was just like i'm so stoked to be here this is the best thank god i'm here and it was just like and i was like these guys are definitely who i want to work with and like record like living in montreal and about two weeks later i just knew somebody that knew mishka and i was like can you give me that guy's email please
and just like hired him to come in and do bass and just told him like yo dude new guy in town let's start working together and legit he just like i played him some music bro everyone i have met in montreal that's like in the scene that is in a band that i like most the time let's say 90 i'm like hey like i'm sam and they're like oh sam oh mishka's told me about you like straight up like he's just been my like dude out here that has helped like just i feel like give me some you know just not cred but just like i feel like a lot of people he helped kind of introduce my name to certain people that i just hadn't uh hadn't uh no maybe wouldn't have heard my name before or whatever but anyways we became best friends and then uh we were just always working on music together but it was more
we were kind of working on some of my music and then we were working on some of his music and i gave him a version of ableton because i'm like dude the reason you never record is because you're using pro tools and like all you want to do is like make a b and i'm like get ableton and then so i hooked him up with ableton and instantly he's like oh my god like did [ __ ] eight demos or whatever and then he sent me these demos and i'm like oh yeah these are cool he's like yeah you should put some production on them if you ever can like put some production on him i'm like okay and then i sent him like some croat rock like songs i was doing and then it was just kind of like he played on some of that and then i played on and then he was over and then one and then we were like listening to like the track of mine we're working on then we would like listen to his and then he's like oh put on that other one of mine and then it was just like we did four and then he looked at me and he's like dude did we just start a band and then it was like and then we kind of like started
thinking of joke names and like and it was just but then we kind of did this whole like really emotional record and it was like during quarantine and like we had the out here in montreal we had the [ __ ] 8 p.m curfew dude and it was brutal as [ __ ] and like i was depressed as [ __ ] back to that guy's question about the low point of my career it's like for sure that was like it's crazy because actually it was one of the highest but like i was so sad and depressed and like i was like i do not want to do this [ __ ] but like just kept going and doing it anyways and we just like we did that whole record we never went in the studio together once even though we're like 10 minutes away from each other it was like he would just he'd send me like an idea and then i would just produce it all just on my own and then he would come later that night and then i would just like yo dude are you ready like i'm gonna play the idea
now and would be like and we would get like he would always like smoke a little weed before and then he would be like okay i'm ready and then would like sit down and he'd just like and it would be so drastically different than the thing he sent me like a few days before and it would just be kind of this weird experience that we kind of did together and then it just it kind of turned into just we had a whole record and then i bought a camera and i was like okay i'm going to start let's do the music videos too then we started doing music videos and then i was like talking about doing because my studio had the name the hidden ship and i was like i think i'm going to do a label so we can put this music out and then that's how i started my label it's so amazing that was our first release and it's like it charted on college it's like charting on college radio and stuff it's like sweet small and we got like you know we got booked to do a pretty big music festival a few weeks ago up in northern quebec and it was you know some cool cool stuff
happening just like from being sad during the quarantine and just like working you know that's cool dude but uh yeah i guess that i mean that's it i guess like we're just working on the music and gonna have finals soon hopefully and i'm gonna continue to put out records just with it's also kind of like a thing that i've always wanted to do because once again i always feel like there's a situation and it's like okay i have the studio i'm a producer i do mixing i engineer and like for most stuff i produce i mix and engineer as well right and i'm doing video stuff so it's kind of like okay maybe it is smart to have a label because then it opens me up to being able to do so many more collaborations with people because it's like maybe we can do a deal where it's like okay
i'll pay for the studio time and the producer and like we can engineer everything and we can put it out through my label and the pr stuff and it's like other than the money and like there's so many different ways you could set it up so it's like either we can like pay back all this stuff and then it's just split this way or we don't pay any of this stuff back and there's like a bigger percentage here or you pay for everything and the label like isn't involved at all and it's just like hired studio producer or just studio you know not but like but i will say that putting out records and having your own label is very hard and it's a lot of [ __ ] to do especially these days but you can do it yeah and it's like you know if you can build up a team and you know some people it's like
i don't know i'm excited about it that's so cool dude you're doing everything you're like uh you're a renaissance man i mean it's your renaissance sam um so maybe you've answered that with that last uh answer but what are you currently obsessed with obsessed with um like music wise or or just any anything um [ __ ] working i guess but like um what am i obsessed with um i guess modular sentence like yeah you yeah there you go i feel like it's kind of modular since i don't know how much money how much money have you sunk into your modular so far dude like i've barely got anything in at least 10 grand like and i feel like i barely got anything
okay if you're listening if you're listening at home just do not get into modular sense despite what sam said earlier you heard how sick it was i mean 10 grand like i mean maybe not but probably it's like you know it's one of those things it's not going to end with 10 grand sound for sure currently 10 grand i'm already like my one it's like i only have one box dude and it's like that [ __ ] is maxed out i need to get another one and it's like yeah yeah it'll be a thing where it's like oh like got a house and modular but i don't got a house okay uh let's wrap it up here so i have like i guess a couple two more questions what did what advice you've already given us a bunch of advice but what would be your one bit of advice for
any anybody listening that might want to get into music production or mixing or how should they go about it they're just brand new they're brand new um [ __ ] yeah there's a lot of different ways you can do it eh it's like it's pretty trippy um i feel watching youtube videos or what i feel like yeah i think like youtube but like also like i don't know just if you know anyone that does it like way better than you like just trying to hang out with them feel like just learning people's tricks like that's what has definitely given me an advantage and i've worked a lot in hip-hop and i've worked a lot with like just analog like old-school reporting people and i've worked with a lot of like bedroom people so it's like i feel like i've gotten so many tricks from so many people do you think that's a good move to to to make sure that you stay open to
different genres for sure it's like and i mean i don't even know like i feel like every cool music project nowadays i'm like it isn't very genre specific it might be like they're heavy lots of the time but like you know there's so much like more eclectic taste on records i feel like nowadays it's like a cool time for being able to like you know [ __ ] me it's like i'm gonna put out like weird like electronic house music and then other times i'm like writing like country tunes you know it's like i'm just i think you i think most people should be but i mean but unless you just love your one genre then it's like do your genre thing but i feel like people are bored with the whole genre thing i feel the industry likes to hold on to that so they can like describe it but
right anything cool i feel like but i think especially producers should step outside of their comfort zone with genres like for example if you are a trap producer or a rock producer or a pop producer then if you brought in modular synthesis into that genre you're going to create something amazing cool right yeah that's like i'm yeah i work with folk people all the time because like the first record i did was luca figalli and it's like a lot of people actually liked it and it was like and now he has like an awesome career and i just feel like that like kind of like branched off into all these other records that i did but like i'm always like oh [ __ ] i don't they all have these same like similar references and stuff but i'm so like like i like work i love like a great folk song and i love songs but i'm not
like a folk guy like i'm i'm totally not and it's like and yeah and it's like i totally am like let's put some modular on your phone through like that's like sprayed up like that is like modular folk dude you know just about like like you know like let's sample like okay let's take your violin parts that like you would normally put on your focus let's put it through the sampler and like stretch it out and like put some extra harmonics on it or something just to make it a little bit weirder you know i feel like oh sorry no no you go ahead i was just going to wrap it up i was going to say where can uh our listeners find out more about you instagram youtube instagram instagram my handle is sam way i think how do you spell it well no i know how to spell it but i think there's a period in it right it's uh
sam period boy s-a-m dot w-o-y and then i is that your website too samoyed.com yeah it's uh samway.com it's slam dashway.com and then what else do i have i guess that's pretty much oh and then i have my label which is hidden ship on instagram and i have uh the band fang on instagram f period h period a period n period g awesome thank you so much for doing this sam cool man that was awesome it was good i feel i feel as though i may have went off on a few tangents here and there but uh yeah you did we love tangents it's great yeah was it like was it in informative enough or
was it yeah i think it's a good insight into a young man who uh found himself in many positions to move into recording studio situations and made the best of it and i think that's what a lot of people are looking to do they're looking to move from not being in a situation where they're around people making music into a situation where they are around people making music and i think i love your technique of you're right you're a great hang you're uh it's a certain skill to be able to say i'm giving you my number because i want to come and hang out with you in your studio and i mean it and then you're there like within the next week like that's good that's a great skill yeah and like just follow up when you get people's numbers and just like don't like and like don't expect anything because like
at the end of the day and like and don't be hurt like when the when the time comes for you to like not be the guy that's always at that same studio right because that'll happen too and like you know you might be like okay like i can't do this anymore and they might not be able to like change their situation for you you know you might outgrow a lot of situations and hopefully you do you know right and like when that all that stuff happens hopefully it's just like you're just ready for it you're excited that's awesome dude thank you so much is there any last thing you want to say the listeners don't buy a lot of gear don't buy too much gear don't like don't over buy gear like just like end up just going to a studio and just like buy your apollo and like you're good
i 100 agree good advice i have so much gear and it's just dumb and it's like just shouldn't have bought so much gear i absolutely agree awesome okay thanks so much for doing this buddy uh everybody that's sam woy [Music]
